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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by TheAlchemist »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #206
GordonS wrote: post #177

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I really is ridiculous, and somehow the number only gets bigger as the stories are told! Last I saw was "40,000 protestors murdered in just 24 hours!", or something very close to it. The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran for weeks now, blowing up hospitals, schools, power plants and residential buildings, yet the Iranian death toll is "only" around 1,500 so far. Yet we are to believe that Iran killed 40k of…

> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

While I somewhat agree, you should also look at the results of those precision strikes. Usually, when they kill a senior Iranian officer sleeping in his appartment, they level the building or at lest blow up several adjacent units, probably killing at last 10 innocent people.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

> Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless"

I think it’s more that these attacks are counterproductive to Iran’s state goals, which reveals that we’re seeing a hardline faction in Iran use the war as cover for consolidating power.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by magic_hamster »

GordonS wrote: post #213
jandrewrogers wrote: post #206

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> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

Look at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package. And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians.

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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by yongjik »

big-and-small wrote: post #214
ChuckMcM wrote: post #198

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I think the article downplays the element that the attack probably achieved its goal which was not to actually hit something at Diego Garcia, but to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable by Iran. That starts conversations like the one here and in other fora about whether or not Iran would limit themselves to military targets (Russia doesn't as an example) and if not how could Europe and its…

Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

I don't know which country you're from, but in most countries, "our troops may get bombed if we join this war" is a very strong public argument against joining the war.

Just look at Trump's latest attempt to enlist his "allies" into sending warships to the Strait of Hormuz, and what a resounding success it was.

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Post by [deleted] »

einszwei wrote: post #109
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #19

Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel. Most European countries have refused to take part, the UK decided to help so this seems like a very easy situation to have avoided.

> Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel

They’ve been doing this across the region. Some of this looks like individual commanders taking strategic decisions into their own hands. But it’s absolutely false that neutrality has protected anyone in the region.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #55
chronic20001 wrote: post #41

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No, the US/Israel are losing the war. Iran is successfully controlling the economic situation and continuously removing western forces from the Middle East. They are also successfully targeting Israel every day. There's very little support for this war in the US and Trump is on the ropes.

> US/Israel are losing the war

This is incorrect. It’s grinding to a stalemate.

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Post by wolvoleo »

9991 wrote: post #126
bdangubic wrote: post #85

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that would be stupid and their regime is not stupid

They're Muslims. You can debate whether that means 'stupid', but they've come to totally erroneous opinions on the structure of reality.

I disagree heavily with them too but that doesn't mean we should eradicate them. We can't expect the whole world population to be aligned.

But once we start shooting they will obviously shoot back and we're many steps further away from the desired "agree to disagree and live together anyway" outcome that is the only way to peace.

I mean the US tried this too with Afghanistan. Many lives lost, trillions of dollars wasted and everything was back to 'normal' in two weeks.

Change has to come from within and the thing is this was actually happening in Iran. Now with military law and the regime uniting people against a common enemy this is much further away.

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Post by throwaw12 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #246
spaghetdefects wrote: post #19

Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel. Most European countries have refused to take part, the UK decided to help so this seems like a very easy situation to have avoided.

> Iran repeatedly stated that they will not attack any country's assets if they do not assist the US/Israel They’ve been doing this across the region. Some of this looks like individual commanders taking strategic decisions into their own hands. But it’s absolutely false that neutrality has protected anyone in the region.

Iran hasn't attacked Turkmenistan yet, so neutrality has protected them

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

watwut wrote: post #159
cardanome wrote: post #68

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Many people that protested against the government in January are now marching in support of the Islamic Republic and demand that the imperialists are punished. Most of them have protested for economic reasons, they don't want to see their country destroyed and their children murdered by bombs. Iran is more united than ever because of the imperialist war. That is what you get when you turn state leaders into martyrs.

That sounds made up. Marches largely stopped after bombings, no one marches for IRGC - not even supporters. And there is no way for anyone to know what Iranians actually think now. No one does the polls there now.

> no one marches for IRGC - not even supporters

IRGC has a lot of support. We tend to think of educated Iranians from abroad. But they have their share of religious nutters.

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