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Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by vintermann »

fzeroracer wrote: post #236
vintermann wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you commission a baker, another person , with wants and desires of their own, is involved. If you use an AI, there isn't. Either way, it's clear that the author (yes, the author) put a lot of work into this by iterating and shaping it to what he wanted, and that's a lot more than sprinkles.

> If you commission a baker, another person, with wants and desires of their own, is involved. > If you use an AI, there isn't. What is the functional difference here? You are commissioning (see: prompting) someone (see: an AI) for a piece of work, or artwork or whatever. The output is out of your control; and I don't think the existence or lack thereof of a human on the other end materially matters. If we had hyper-…

I didn't say the difference was functional. If you don't think the presence of a human on the other end matters (materially or not), feel free to continue this conversation with an LLM simulation of me. You can even prompt it so that you logically triumph and convince "me".

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by lordleft »

One thing I'll note about this is that the writing reminds me of the much contested "MFA workshop" style that has launched a thousand think pieces.

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The story was decent! I thought it was insightful and it made me reconsider some aspects of AI use. I am skeptical that an AI could write something on par with the Iliad, or Anna Karenina -- but perhaps I will be disabused of that notion someday. Still, this is a level of quality I am surprised to see to come out of an AI (though, as in your story, the LLM seemed to require its own "choreographer" in the form of your editing and polishing). Very thought provoking.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by ralferoo »

donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

Interesting. I didn't realise it was LLM generated either, but only came here after the first section to find out if it was worth reading the rest.

Maybe the summary of the first section wouldn't have landed without the example but "People who would spend $50,000 on elective surgery without blinking would balk at a $200 annual wellness check. The fix was always cheaper than the failure, the prevention was always cheaper than the fix, and somehow the money always flowed toward the crisis rather than away from it." explained the problem far more succinctly than the rambling prose before it.

I did notice something else AI about it - I really liked the art style for the illustrations, and had mixed emotions as my thought process was "I'd really like to learn how to draw like this, but I guess there's no point spending my time doing that because now I could just get an AI to generate it, and I guess that's the point of the article".

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by lordleft »

chii wrote: post #223
toofy wrote: post #208

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because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

> want to know the writer of a piece but you dodged the question i asked - why can't a piece stand on the contents, rather than its pedigree? Would you care if a writer used a pen name? Does that in any way diminish their works? What about the unknown editors that contributed?

We like writing because the fact that we can create good writing says something about ourselves. If AI can create writing that surpasses, say, a Tolstoy or George Eliot, that will fundamentally change our self-perception. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Well, let's first cross the bridge of an LLM writing War & Peace and see how we feel.

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Post by hmokiguess »

donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

Maybe it's because I think your comment throws away a lot of relevant context from OP's submission on HN.

He says he spent months on this piece and then some, I think it's safe to assume here that this was well supervised, guided, thoughtful and full of human intent despite the AI-assisted part.

In short, I think calling it "AI generated" takes all the human effort that went into these months and the ingenious creativity of OP towards crafting this piece!

Anyways, I enjoyed it. :)

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by intended »

Aditya_Garg wrote: post #226
toofy wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because we typically want to know the writer of a piece. we want to know where to lay credit. every book you buy has an author credited. articles in newspapers and magazines have photographer and author attributions. asking an ai to write you a story does not make you an author. if you ask someone to take a photo for you, you don’t magically get to say “look at this photograph, i’m a photographer.” if you ask someone…

I’ve said this many times before AI is just a tool If you used a fancy auto bake cake machine instead of an oven, you still get to claim that you made the cake. 100 years ago someone would be making the claim that using an oven to make cakes “doesn’t count” All AI did was raise the bar It’s quite clear here that the author spent a lot of time on this so he absolutely gets credit as the author

Eh.

Why would I give him the same credit I would give a writer.

Or why would I give a writer the same credit I would give someone who created the AI prompts and scaffolding to generate this?

Being unhappy about not being able to call oneself an author, ends up betraying a lack of confidence in the work or process.

In the end writer, dancer, actor, whatever - these titles come from their impact.

There will be a different name for this, and eventually there will be something made that is good enough that people will be spell bound. At which point its going to be named something else.

At which point.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by fzeroracer »

vintermann wrote: post #241
fzeroracer wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you commission a baker, another person, with wants and desires of their own, is involved. > If you use an AI, there isn't. What is the functional difference here? You are commissioning (see: prompting) someone (see: an AI) for a piece of work, or artwork or whatever. The output is out of your control; and I don't think the existence or lack thereof of a human on the other end materially matters. If we had hyper-…

I didn't say the difference was functional. If you don't think the presence of a human on the other end matters (materially or not), feel free to continue this conversation with an LLM simulation of me. You can even prompt it so that you logically triumph and convince "me".

I'm asking you to explain what the actual difference is and you're avoiding the question.

If we had a complete black box where you submitted Prompt and out came Thing, and you had zero clue what said black box actually did, could you claim creation over Thing? What does knowing that it's a human vs LLM make materially different in terms of whether or not you created it?

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Post by lelanthran »

moron4hire wrote: post #108
donatj wrote: post #61

I'm trying to sort out my own emotions on this. I did not realize this was AI generated while reading it until I came to the comments here... And I feel genuinely had? Like "oh wow, you got me"... I don't like this feeling. It's certainly the longest thing (I know about) I've taken the time to read that was AI generated. The writing struck me as genuinely good, like something out of The New Yorker. I found the story…

I also did not gin to the fact that it was AI, but I did have the distinct feeling that I was reading something not that great. It bothered me because the message was something I could appreciate but the delivery felt anathema to the message. It felt like it was written by someone trying to quit an addiction to Corporate Memphis content spam. Like it came from some weird timeline where qntm was a LinkedIn influencer.…

Actually, I was waiting for a punchline, twist or climax of sorts.

This had the feeling of reading someone's diary: today happened, same as yesterday.

The only difference is that the routine, and almost identical, stories is set in in a fictional place.

Some journal/found footage fiction can be good (Dracula for example), but this was not that.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by hmokiguess »

Folks labeling "AI generated" might be jumping the gun considering OP described his process took him the last couple months and then some for this project.

Call it what you want, but I think this sits better with "AI assisted" and, perhaps, really well supervised full of the human intent behind of it. Then again, labels are strange, we call algorithmic and synthesizer assisted music "electronic" music these days and we still praise musicians who take the time through endless Moog / Ableton fine-tuning sessions to find the perfect loop patterns for their craft.

I could definitely feel the connection between the human author side of this post, thank you for sharing it!

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