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Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by notepad0x90 »

nradov wrote: post #233
notepad0x90 wrote: post #189

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> China and India will never agree on substantive issues. And the US and Russia do? (G8) South Afica is the largest economy in Africa, 13% of the continent's GDP. Your views on its political state doesn't change that. And honestly, as an American, I can't say my country is doing better than SA. Sure they have more crime, but at least they don't have a military force dedicated to ethnic-cleansing migrants . Lol, sad t…

You missed the point. The G8 isn't an alliance either.

depends on what you call an alliance. obviously i wasn't alluding to a military alliance. these are economic forums, where economically allied countries get together to discuss policy. What is a better term that describes their relationship? frenemies? I would insist BRICS is certainly an economic alliance, their one common goal is to resist the western lead economic order of things, even if they can't agree on specifics they agree and are allied over that one goal.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by ncallaway »

laughing_man wrote: post #215
ncallaway wrote: post #214

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Probably refering to his nazi salute, and support for far-right neo-nazi groups like AfD in Germany

That's what I thought. The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing. I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar. And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group.

> The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing

Okay, you believe what you want, I guess.

> And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group.

Uh, huh. Sure.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by ncallaway »

laughing_man wrote: post #224
gambiting wrote: post #222

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As someone who literally grew up next to Auschwitz - the attempts to excuse Elon's Nazi salute as anything but exactly that are just sickening. Those who don't study history are bound to repeat it, indeed. "My heart goes out to you" - a man literally doing a sieg heil. Bloody hell.

I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area. It wasn't a Nazi salute, and that should be obvious.

It was so obviously a Nazi salute, and anyone denying it is lying. Either to themselves or to others.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by rasz »

JasonADrury wrote: post #227
rasz wrote: post #183

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Yes. For example trump proved it wrong two days ago by /checks notes removing all russian oil sanctions https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/12/us/politics/trump-russia-...

That article does not say what you (and possibly the author) think it does. > The United States on Thursday temporarily lifted sanctions on Russian oil that is currently at sea This is weird phrasing, and for a reason. Oil at sea has typically already been sold! Lifting sanctions on it does practically nothing.

"30-day waiver for countries _to buy_ sanctioned Russian oil and petroleum products currently stranded at sea"

with "currently stranded at sea" being one of those things nobody can prove either way with shadow fleet.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by laughing_man »

ncallaway wrote: post #243
laughing_man wrote: post #224

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I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area. It wasn't a Nazi salute, and that should be obvious.

It was so obviously a Nazi salute, and anyone denying it is lying. Either to themselves or to others.

I get that Musk isn't popular here, but the idea people would assign that kind of motive to what was just an awkward moment is just sick.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by gambiting »

laughing_man wrote: post #245
ncallaway wrote: post #243

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It was so obviously a Nazi salute, and anyone denying it is lying. Either to themselves or to others.

I get that Musk isn't popular here, but the idea people would assign that kind of motive to what was just an awkward moment is just sick.

I don't know dude - I think pretending it isn't what it very obviously is is just morally and intellectually bankrupt. We can cover our eyes and ears and pretend this isn't happening - and maybe it might even work for us and we might be spared the return of fascism as a normalized force in our society if things go right. Or we can just call it for what it is and not support it by trying to excuse it.

>> what was just an awkward moment

The whole idea that the self-proclaimed "most intelligent man on earth" didn't know what he was doing and it was actually some kind of heart felt awkward gesture is again, dishonest at best.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by monkaiju »

cryptonector wrote: post #204
monkaiju wrote: post #164

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Might have more to do with language than anything else TBH

Ok, but what is China's immigration policy like? They could be importing young people from nearby India, yet they're not. Why?

I mean, theres still a language barrier there no? I dont know much about their immigration policies though.

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by whattheheckheck »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #236
whattheheckheck wrote: post #110

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Cappy army on YouTube had an interesting analysis on the starlink usage in russia. https://youtu.be/Fpt8dYAwK7c?si=x5pp9vfKdwXM947c

The usage is in Ukraine

Right i meant to say by Russians in Ukraine

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by MarkusQ »

ftth_finland wrote: post #226
MarkusQ wrote: post #99

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Which is exactly what they are doing. https://unn.ua/en/news/ukraine-launches-starlink-whitelist-i...

It’s missing the part that any non-whitelisted Starlink terminal entering Russian territory should automatically be blocked. This would deny all Russians the use of Starlink.

The issue isn't Russians using Starlink inside Russia (they have other option, e.g. wired system, etc. there); the issue was their using it for drones and other combat operations inside Ukraine (including Ukrainian territory presently held by Russia).

Re: Starlink militarization and its impact on global strategic stability (2023)

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Post by stinkbeetle »

tw04 wrote: post #235
stinkbeetle wrote: post #229

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No it was debunked. It was always a conspiracy theory without evidence. I have read the Mueller report, it says no evidence was found of conspiracy (collusion). I can do better than regurgitating links at you and making handwaving claims about how I could go on and on, I can quote you verbatim passages which say just that. Where is all that "ample evidence" that Adam Schiff, as chair House Permanent Select Committee…

> I have read the Mueller report, it says no evidence was found of conspiracy (collusion). You absolutely did not read the report, you listened to Barr’s brief lie about what was in it. There were endless examples of collusion and people in Trump’s inner circle found guilty of collaborating with the Russian government. Let me guess, you also think Paul Manafort did nothing wrong? https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-p…

> You absolutely did not read the report, you listened to Barr’s brief lie about what was in it.

I did.

> There were endless examples of collusion and people in Trump’s inner circle found guilty of collaborating with the Russian government.

For which apparently Mueller's team was incapable of using to substantiate any such charges, and apparently Adam Schiff seems to have lost all that evidence he lied about seeing.

The only reasonable explanation is obviously that Trump colluded with Putin to hack Mueller and Schiff, right?

> Let me guess, you also think Paul Manafort did nothing wrong?

A person who isn't called Donald Trump was found guilty of charges that did not include colluding with Putin to hack the election, but relating to to tax evasion and failing to register as an agent working for Ukraine, starting a decade before Trump's campaign started? No I don't think he did nothing wrong and never claimed he did. Nice strawman though, typical of conspiracy theorist rantings.

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