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Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by alwillis »

auggierose wrote: post #239
happyopossum wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If yours are all over 7 years old you really have no idea what a modern Mac can do with 8-16GB of ram…

8GB of RAM. Not 16GB. And oh yes, the modern Mac shares those 8GB with the video RAM...

> And oh yes, the modern Mac shares those 8GB with the video RAM...

The Unified Memory Architecture is why these Macs are so fast—no wasted cycles moving data between RAM and GPU. And the data is compressed in real-time so less data has to be transferred and there's less ware and tear on the SSD, which is directly to SoC [1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47354705

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by tshaddox »

amelius wrote: post #193
roody15 wrote: post #131

MacBook Neo is going to sell like crazy. In the education market, educators, students, aides... nothing close at this price point. With memory and SSD prices so high I don't see how Dell, Asus and others are going to be able to compete. Unless the build quality is significantly worse than a M1 macbook air not sure budget PC makers will be able to compete.

Apple is going to cannibalize their own laptop market.

I think this is actually the reason the Neo has 8 GB of RAM (non-upgradable). It’s their anti-cannibalization strategy.

They’re relying on the huge portion of their existing laptop market who self-identifies as “tech-savvy” or “enthusiast” and thinks 8 GB of RAM is a non-starter.

Those folks will keep buying Mac laptops at double (or triple, quadruple, …) the price.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by kstrauser »

xnyan wrote: post #236
kstrauser wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Heck, you can get 8GB Windows laptops with twice the SSD size of the MacBook Neo's for a little over half of the Neo’s price (again, at full MSRP.) Let's see one of these $300 Windows laptops with 512GB of SSD (in a reasonable format, e.g. not an SD card), a body that isn't disposable, a screen that isn't a dim potato, a CPU that's within 20% of the Neo's performance, and a GPU that isn't embarrassed to be called a…

> I doubt they exist. I think you're misunderstanding, of course they do not exist. People don't get $300 windows laptops for their performance, build quality, or anything similar. Nor do they care about screen brightness, and 256GB is fine for the use case which is running word or some other simple application for as little $$ as possible.

The implication in the comparison is that they’re similar. The similarity between a Neo and a $300 PC is that they can both boot up and run at least one program. That’s about where it ends.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by y1n0 »

auggierose wrote: post #222
roody15 wrote: post #131

MacBook Neo is going to sell like crazy. In the education market, educators, students, aides... nothing close at this price point. With memory and SSD prices so high I don't see how Dell, Asus and others are going to be able to compete. Unless the build quality is significantly worse than a M1 macbook air not sure budget PC makers will be able to compete.

I don't know. Both of my macs are over 7 years old, and have at least 32GB of RAM. Certainly would not buy an 8GB one now.

If people want to emulate what it is like to have low memory on your current mac, you can run `memory_pressure` on the cli.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by drdaeman »

auggierose wrote: post #222
roody15 wrote: post #131

MacBook Neo is going to sell like crazy. In the education market, educators, students, aides... nothing close at this price point. With memory and SSD prices so high I don't see how Dell, Asus and others are going to be able to compete. Unless the build quality is significantly worse than a M1 macbook air not sure budget PC makers will be able to compete.

I don't know. Both of my macs are over 7 years old, and have at least 32GB of RAM. Certainly would not buy an 8GB one now.

That was all x86_64, but even if aarch64 is more memory efficient, it can’t be too drastic, and 8GiB was borderline unusable even 10 years ago.

Nowadays it must be a teeth-grinding tight fit for a browser and couple Electron apps, held together on a prayer next website doesn’t go too crazy with the bells and whistles and wasn’t vibeslopped with utter disregard to any big-Os.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by wolvoleo »

alwillis wrote: post #241
auggierose wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8GB of RAM. Not 16GB. And oh yes, the modern Mac shares those 8GB with the video RAM...

> And oh yes, the modern Mac shares those 8GB with the video RAM... The Unified Memory Architecture is why these Macs are so fast—no wasted cycles moving data between RAM and GPU. And the data is compressed in real-time so less data has to be transferred and there's less ware and tear on the SSD, which is directly to SoC [1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47354705

Well yes it's still only 8GB shared between macos, the VM and the graphics buffers. On a mobile chip.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by wolvoleo »

GeekyBear wrote: post #208
moffkalast wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the EU it costs $200 more so it's more like a low to mid range laptop. I have a feeling these are aimed at the same sector as the Framework 12, school provided laptops for kids meant to be bought in bulk by institutions. But there they're competing against $150 Chromebooks and neither is even close.

In the EU, you don't need to buy an extended warranty, since existing consumer protection laws require the sort of extended repair coverage Americans have to pay extra for. Taxes are also included in the EU price, but not the US price.

Yes but be aware this only goes where Apple is the actual seller. If you buy it in another shop you only have Apple warranty for one year and the shop has to sort out the second one. So buying from Apple directly is better.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by thelastgallon »

Apple is moving into Google's territory, cheap Chromebooks. The right move for Google is to aggressively move forward with their desktop OS and launch their line of laptops. The first pixel laptops had the best keyboards and trackpads ever. Google can nail this if they have the right product person. Apple needs some competition and the legacy PC makers won't cut it. Once again, it has to be Apple vs Google, same as Android vs iOS devices.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Post by devilbunny »

GeekyBear wrote: post #208
moffkalast wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the EU it costs $200 more so it's more like a low to mid range laptop. I have a feeling these are aimed at the same sector as the Framework 12, school provided laptops for kids meant to be bought in bulk by institutions. But there they're competing against $150 Chromebooks and neither is even close.

In the EU, you don't need to buy an extended warranty, since existing consumer protection laws require the sort of extended repair coverage Americans have to pay extra for. Taxes are also included in the EU price, but not the US price.

The lack of reflection indicated by "US prices are so much cheaper! Why are our electronics so expensive?" vs "What do you mean, you can't take it back to the store where you got it for an on-the-spot replacement a year and a half after purchase if it breaks?" has amused me for quite some time. Not that both come from the same person, but don't they ever talk to each other?
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