e-government services should be open-sources by default!
I sometimes also would like that, but you might reconsider that stance when your country is in war with another one.
Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
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Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
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People thought that in France until a public official started to sell tax data to the mafia. Now there is a kidnapping almost everyday. Things can change faster than what you can imagine, and Sweden is not a safe country anymore by the way.
You will not find any reputable source for those statements, sure maybe as opinions. This is the issue here we are talking about facts. I have been able to look up this information for as long as we had a government in Sweden, and it works. Financial privacy is a complicated subject, could you perhaps agree that there is a use for transparancy?
Here is a link in french:
https://journalducoin.com/actualites/france-employee-fisc-ve...
You can cross-reference this by asking your favorite LLM about it.
Even the international news have started to catch it: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/10/europe/crypto-linked-kidn...
The problem is that when you get a high amount migrant from very different ethnicities and cultures than you, it starts to change. Those people do not necessarily want to play the same social game as you, and you risk having structured crime networks arising.
Just like in France where those kidnappings were made by the algerian "DZ" mafia (DZ is a slang for Algeria). Or in Netherlands, with the "mocro" mafia (= Morroccan) who put a price on the royal family's head, forcing the princess sibling to leave the country[0].
In the case of Sweden, this is now the case, although that many Swedish people continue to do as if it wasn't. Don't tell me that such news happens in a "safe" country:
https://swedenherald.com/article/teenagers-in-malmo-charged-...
And I don't see why there should be transparency about how much I own, or earn. I don't want the neighbors to know about it, or feed your voyeurist pulsions. The line is thin between "social justice" and "mob violence", or discrimination, in that aspect. Which is likely to happen in a country that sterilized "socially unfit" people for a long time.
[0]: https://www.thetimes.com/world/article/dutch-princess-fled-c...
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Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
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What's the point of making public how much each person owns? Aside from making you a prime target for kidnappings and targeted advertising?
why would anyone kidnap you if they own as much as you ?
Maybe they want to own twice more than they did before?
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
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Government data about private individuals can be considered as private, for privacy reasons. If the government knows that I have a mental disability, should everyone know about it, so they can discriminate me accordingly? What kind of dystopian view of the world is this? Or, if I own crypto, why should the government facilitate the work for criminals?
The Government IS the public. I agree that the public shouldn't necessarily know about your mental disabilities, but then you just shouldn't give this information to the government.
Giving this information to the government is needed to get either financial help, or just a card to justify accommodations. But yeah, let's create second class citizens out of disabled people, great idea, very "scandinavian" indeed. At least they stopped sterilizing them.
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
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This has also the effect of fueling envy, and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open? And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?
I don't follow. It allows citizenry to identify wage discrimination and other malpractices, people can get paid on the value of their work and not just how good they are at gaming the wage negotiations. Plus most of the civilised world has this thing called a "union" and "workers rights" that generally prevent your imagined scenario from happening. What has medical data got to do with this? You can't very well go up…
> It allows citizenry to identify wage discrimination and other malpractices, people can get paid on the value of their work and not just how good they are at gaming the wage negotiations.
Ah yeah, so you are for mob justice. "Value of their work" is a highly subjective topic, which everyone is an expert on, of course.
> Plus most of the civilised world has this thing called a "union" and "workers rights" that generally prevent your imagined scenario from happening.
Worker rights and unions don't prevent employers from setting wages freely with their employees. An employee with 0 revenue has much less negociating power if the employer knows about it.
> you cost too much, pay more
I'm pretty sure people can have envy about the disabled person earning as much as they do while he/she doesn't have to wake up in the morning. Or some disabled person would like to evolve freely in the society without having everyone know about it.
> eugenics argument
Sweden sterilized disabled and socially unfit people for a long time, until 2013, so yeah, I totally see it happening. Incidentally I have seen racial and social mappings made out of the Swedish public data in the past, so it's far from anecdotic.
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
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We already had a deal with Finland. Would have happened no matter was in power in Sweden. Though now with trump back it's not looking like the best idea. >A paradigm shift against organised crime Keep doing the same thing, ask cops how to solve the problem, more cops is always the answer. The war on drugs is a massive failure. About to get a lot more refugees to Europe thanks to Trump.
A deal with Finland? What are you referring to? >Would have happened no matter was in power in Sweden. Maybe so but does not change the ideological leanings of the left being against us joining NATO. >Though now with trump back it's not looking like the best idea. NATO is more than just the USA, but the USA is a large part. I have faith that the Americans will come to their senses. NATO is a huge benefit to them in t…
Not a formal deal but it's pretty widely known that if either wanted to join we would join together as we've had a long history of cooperation during the Cold War.
Trump can do whatever he and the project 2025 Christian fanatics wants to do, it's unlikely to stop in the mid terms or even the next presidential election. Now it's looking like a ground invasion of Iran. They thought they could do another Venezuela, they're getting a Vietnam in the age of drones instead.
I am swedish and well aware of our alcoholic history. And yes we are emulating the American war on drugs because the only solutions we try are more police. Keeping most drugs illegal is what fuels the gangs, yet politicians think people should just stop doing drugs to solve the problem. It's laughable.
American "interventions" in the middle east for the last 70 years have caused these migrations of people. They keep doing it to different counties so they're not safe if they just go to a neighbor, might as well go to Europe. The current Iranian regime is in power largely because the American and British got their government overthrown in the 50s.
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has also the effect of fueling envy, and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open? And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?
First, lets me clarrify that I am trying to explain how this practise is justified in Norway, I am not arguing for or against it. Some of the justification is pure cultural traits, which you can try to understand even if you dont agree with them yourself. Also note that this is not completely non-controversal, but it seems like the current setup (where you need to log in to search, in addition to the public lists in…
Common citizens aren't supposed to be blockwarts judging who deserves or not their money.
> But we can't protect everyone from their feelings.
We can protect ourselves from the feeling of others by not sharing this data.
> equal tasks very different salaries
Unless you are an unqualified factory worker on a line with quantifiable output, in a service economy "equal tasks" are highly subjective.
> This is handled by you letting the trainer know in private, and he will discretely handle it.
Maybe the poor kid would rather not tell the trainer that he is poor and face paternalistic attitudes? And the rich kid wouldn't be reminded all the time that he is guilty of having richer parents? Add race/migration and you'll quickly tolerate bullying because of "social reasons".
https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/bullying-doubled-...
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has also the effect of fueling envy, and allows employers to discriminate you if they see that you have side income (or if you don't). Why make all of this fuss about RGPD if private data is in the open? And why not include medical data as well? The "tribe" has the right to know how much each one costs, right?
> why not include medical data as well? It is usually those with little power that suffer when you do that, and those with a lot of power that suffer from financial openness. I ask this in the most naive way possible I think the Pandora Leak was a good thing, do you not agree? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers
Richer people have many ways to protect themselves from society, unlike poorer people who have to bear the envy of others and can't escape it. Just ask any homeless person.
A rich man can just (and likely should, given the comments here) leave the Swedish crab basket.
Having society obsessed with watching how their neighbor is doing is a very good way to get everyone to look away, while, in the case of Sweden, a single family owns a large part of the stock exchange.
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
First, lets me clarrify that I am trying to explain how this practise is justified in Norway, I am not arguing for or against it. Some of the justification is pure cultural traits, which you can try to understand even if you dont agree with them yourself. Also note that this is not completely non-controversal, but it seems like the current setup (where you need to log in to search, in addition to the public lists in…
Common citizens aren't supposed to be blockwarts judging who deserves or not their money. > But we can't protect everyone from their feelings. We can protect ourselves from the feeling of others by not sharing this data. > equal tasks very different salaries Unless you are an unqualified factory worker on a line with quantifiable output, in a service economy "equal tasks" are highly subjective. > This is handled by y…
As I said above, I explain the cultural norms making it seen as acceptable. I am not trying to convince you, and I am certainly not interested in a bunch of random tangental discussions.
Maybe the poor kid would rather not tell the trainer that he is poor and face paternalistic attitudes? And the rich kid wouldn't be reminded all the time that he is guilty of having richer parents? Add race/migration and you'll quickly tolerate bullying because of "social reasons".
Re: Source code of Swedish e-government services has been leaked
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Government IS the public. I agree that the public shouldn't necessarily know about your mental disabilities, but then you just shouldn't give this information to the government.
Giving this information to the government is needed to get either financial help, or just a card to justify accommodations. But yeah, let's create second class citizens out of disabled people, great idea, very "scandinavian" indeed. At least they stopped sterilizing them.
> Giving this information to the government is needed to get either financial help, or just a card to justify accommodations.
But maybe that shouldn't be necessary? It could also remain with the doctor, who then just approves that you should be eligible for financial help.
> But yeah, let's create second class citizens out of disabled people, great idea
You are fighting strawmen.