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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by doodlebugging »

The best way for AI companies to fight this would be to remind those who request this capability that the AI knows exactly where they live, where they hang out, and that any one of them can also be targeted by a rogue AI system with no human in the loop. Capabilities that they are requesting could jeopardize them, their personal assets, and their families if something goes haywire or, in the much more common case, where the AI is used as an attack tool by an outside adversary who has gained unauthorized access.

All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever.

EDIT: It is one level of bad when someone hacks a database containing personal healthcare data on most Americans as happened not long ago. A few years back, the OPM hack gave them all they needed to know about then-current and former government employees and service members and their families. Wait until a state-sponsored actor finds their way into the surveillance and targeting software and uses that back door to eliminate key adversarial personnel or to hold them hostage with threats against the things they value most so that the adversary builds a collection of moles who sell out everything in a vain attempt to keep themselves safe.

Of course we already know what happens when an adversary employs these techniques and that is why we are where we are right now.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by avaer »

david_shaw wrote: post #195

I'd prefer to see board (or executive) level signatories over lay employees -- the people who can enforce enterprise policy rather than just voice their opinions -- but this is encouraging to see nonetheless. I can't help but notice that Grok/X is not part of this initiative, though. I realize that frontier models are really coming from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, but it feels like someone is going to give in to t…

Honestly though, would it help if those in charge voiced their honest opinions?

The current political climate is this is the kind of thing that will get you "investigated" and charged with crimes.

And the government has already threatened that it will commandeer these companies whether they like it or not.

If someone in charge wants to make a difference, there might be more effective things to do than to speak out in this instance.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by culi »

driverdan wrote: post #240

This is a nice gesture but completely meaningless. There is absolutely no commitment in this. "We hope our leaders.." has no conditions, no effects. If you're an employee and actually believe in this you need to commit to something, like resigning.

it's the first step towards actually organizing. Reminds me of how the Kickstarter union came to be

Any collective action should be encouraged

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by krautburglar »

You have 1) stolen everybody's shit and put it behind a paywall, 2) cornered the hardware market in some RICO-worthy offensive that has priced one of the few affordable pasttimes for young people out of reach, 3) changed your climate story (lie) on a dime, and started putting the horrible power-guzzling data centers on any strip of land within spitting distance of a power plant. I hope you all go out of business, and I hope it happens French Revolution style.

Of course they were going to use it for military purposes you spiritual abortions, and there is nothing your keyboard-soft hands can do about it.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by skeledrew »

david_shaw wrote: post #195

I'd prefer to see board (or executive) level signatories over lay employees -- the people who can enforce enterprise policy rather than just voice their opinions -- but this is encouraging to see nonetheless. I can't help but notice that Grok/X is not part of this initiative, though. I realize that frontier models are really coming from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, but it feels like someone is going to give in to t…

> Grok/X

Head(s) will of course agree with the administration. And employees will likely be making themselves a target if they sign this letter. All anonymous from said company is not a good look at all.

Speculation of course; let's see what really happens.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by tclancy »

timr wrote: post #188
galleywest200 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government declaring a domestic company as a supply chain threat is a tad more than “refusing to do business” don’t you think?

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So tell us all the other similar times this has been done. Why are you so invested in some drunk and a his mob family being right?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by culi »

Before you leave a comment about how meaningless this is unless they do XYZ,

please realize that there's likely a group chat out there somewhere where all of these concerns have already been raised and considered. The best thing you can do is ask how you as an outsider can help support these organizers

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by timr »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #227
timr wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That is misinformation. It would be essentially a death sentence for a company like Anthropic, which is targeting enterprise business development. No one who wants to work with the US government would be able to have Claude on their critical path. > (b) Prohibition. (1) Unless an applicable waiver has been issued by the issuing official, Contractors shall not provide or use as part of the performance of the contract…

> That is misinformation. It would be essentially a death sentence for a company like Anthropic, which is targeting enterprise business development.

"Misinformation" does not mean "facts I don't like".

> No one who wants to work with the US government would be able to have Claude on their critical path.

Yes. That is what the rule means. Or at least "the department of war". It's not clear to me that this applies to the whole government.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by dmix »

BitsAndObjects wrote: post #217
dmix wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not an AI engineer but it’s not hard to imagine why some bright talent would want to work at the most exciting AI companies in the US while also making 3-10x what they’d make in Europe. Ideology is easy to throw around for internet comments but working on the cutting edge stuff next to the brightest minds in the space will always be a major personal draw. Just look at the Manhattan project, I doubt the primary dr…

See my other comments around here. This idea that salaries in the US are so much higher than Europe for all these top AI roles just isn’t true. Even the big American companies have been opening offices in places like London to hire the top talent at high salaries. This also isn’t hypothetical. I know top-talent engineers and researchers that have moved out of the USA in the last 12 months due to the political climate…

> I know top-talent engineers and researchers that have moved out of the USA in the last 12 months due to the political climate

Are they working remotely for US companies? In Canada that’s very much still the case everywhere you look

> Even the big American companies have been opening offices in places like London to hire the top talent at high salaries.

I assumed this discussion was about rejecting working for US companies who would be susceptible to the executive branch’s bullying, not whether you can you make a US tier salary off American companies while not living in America. If you’re doing that you might as well live in America among among the other talent and maximize your opportunities.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by WorkerBee28474 »

charcircuit wrote: post #162

Imagine if a gun manufacturer sold a gun that you couldn't use against X or Y country. Private companies imposing such demands on our military should not be respected. Having weapons that can randomly detect a false positive and shut themselves down because they think you are using it wrong is a feature I would never want built in. I have also been against these terms of services of restricting usage of AI models. It…

> Imagine if a gun manufacturer sold a gun that you couldn't use against X or Y country

That kind of happens with F35s that the US sells to its allies.

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