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Anthropic drops flagship safety pledge

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Post by we_have_options »

jedberg wrote: post #64

I don’t blame anthropic here. The government literally threatened their existence publicly. They either agreed or their business would be nationalized.

Agree with you on facts. Yes, the US government publicly threatened to nationalize their business.

However, Anthropic's business consists mostly of intellectual property-- which is highly mobile. What if Anthropic were to go to Marcron (France) for example or Carney (Canada) or Xi Jinping even and say "You give us work visas and support, we move to your land"?

Hell, isn't Canada (specifically Toronto) the birthplace of deep learning? Why stay in a hostile environment when the land of your birth is welcoming?

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Post by bumby »

lupire wrote: post #239
bumby wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of precedent that companies are expected to regulate themselves. If you are in the US and perform an engineering role without a license or without working under someone with a license, it’s because of an “industrial exemption.” The premise is that companies have enough standards and processes in place to mitigate that risk. However, there is also plenty of evidence that this setup may no longer work.…

Am exemption from PE stamping (misguided as it maybe) does not mean unregulated. There are still regulations on designs and builds.

True to an extent, but those regulations tend to downstream of bad things happening.

The exemption means “self-regulation” which is what the OP was speaking to. There are industrial standards, for example, but that’s not a governing body. You can create a design that goes against a standard and there’s nothing to stop you from releasing it to the public. The same can’t be said for those who require licenses and stamped designs. There’s also no explicit individual ethics codes in exempted industries. In contrast, a stamped design is saying the design adheres to good standards.

Apropos to HN, somebody could write safety critical software with emergency braking delays because of nuisance alarms and put it on the street without any licensed engineer taking responsibility for it. The governance only comes after an accident and an NTHSB investigation.

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Post by isodev »

nickserv wrote: post #211
isodev wrote: post #197

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That's because their government is asking for things that shouldn't be asked - again, no regulation, no oversight.

The government is forcing them to change their policy, by definition that is regulation and oversight. Let's say that the government was forcing a company to change their overall right-to-repair or return policy in order to avoid being on a blacklist, would that not be seen as oversight and regulation? Whether the regulation is legitimate or of benefit is a different argument.

You misunderstand - a government normally represents the people, we appoint them to well, govern, in our name. I understand how this is confusing in a place like the US, where the government often seems to represent the business (or lately a small group of poor examples of humanity), not the people.

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Post by tootie »

lebovic wrote: post #156

I used to work at Anthropic. I fully believe that the folks mentioned in the article, like Jared Kaplan, are well-intentioned and concerned about the relationship between safety research and frontier capabilities – not purely profit. That said, I'm not thrilled about this. I joined Anthropic with the impression that the responsible scaling policy was a binding pre-commitment for exactly this scenario: they wouldn't s…

I fully believe that Dario is 100% full of shit and possibly a worse person than Altman. He loves to pontificate like he's the moral avatar of AI but he's still just selling his product as hard as he can.

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Post by b112 »

chasd00 wrote: post #235
vibrio wrote: post #225

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You've succinctly identified and communicated a real problem. In your opinion, what is the best approach, if any, to attempt to address it?

> In your opinion, what is the best approach, if any, to attempt to address it? There aren't many options for fighting the tax man, "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes". You're only option is to leave the US for somewhere better.

I guess you don't know about how taxes work for Americans? Living abroad typically changes nothing, they still owe tax.

Maybe an American can chime in here on this...

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Post by floatrock »

bumby wrote: post #238
floatrock wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there actually a case of a model saying "America's founding father were black women", or is that just Elon fingering your amygdala with a ridiculous hypothetical that exists nowhere other than Elon's mind in order to justify Elon's personal bias tweaks when he doesn't like the wisdom-of-the-crowds answer his tools initially give?

There were well-publicized cases of Gemini producing more diverse founding fathers images, female popes, etc. Also, snarky tone is against the HN guidelines.

Sorry, let me give a specific citation of Elon injecting his personal bias into the output of his tools: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/14/elon-musk...

As for the "Elon fingering your amygdala with a ridiculous hypothetical" snark, well, I think the HN crowd in particular understands how the culture wars are just theater to push through billionaires' personal self-centered interests at the expense of everyone else. If that level of pull-aside-the-curtains pragmatism is really "snark against HN guidelines", well, I think 3/4 of the comments on the site would be flagged and deleted.

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