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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #185
dyauspitr wrote: post #32

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Drones with a paintball gun attached? Realistically that’s going to attract a lot of negative attention.

Just use the drone to spray something on the camera that will etch the glass or destroy the plastic beyond repair.

About ten years ago a company started fitting CCTV cameras to the illuminated advertising hoardings in bus stops, initially to discourage vandalism and then using frankly fucking creepy targetted advertising that used fairly crude machine vision stuff to guess the demographic of people at the stop.

The advertiser's operators could actually look through the camera and shout through hidden speakers at people vandalising their adverts, usually by writing on the specially-coated toughened vandal-resistant glass that ink or paint didn't stick to.

The local wee wannabe gangsters took to filling bingo markers with the stuff they use to etch frosted glass, and tagging the displays with that.

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Post by ceejayoz »

monero-xmr wrote: post #223
lillecarl wrote: post #221

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Yeah there are people who can't help themselves, but they are a fraction of a fraction of the population. When presented with an honest and decent alternative the vast majority will choose it.

https://x.com/arthurmacwaters/status/2015533344914878923?s=4... Maybe we just incarcerate you permanently once you have 31 arrests

Maybe we shouldn’t incarcerate anyone who hasn’t been convicted.

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Post by al_borland »

co_king_5 wrote: post #231
al_borland wrote: post #229

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You said incarceration is “neo slavery”. The base assumption is slavery is wrong. So what should the penalty be?

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Obviously slavery is wrong, that’s why I said it.

You continue to dodge my question about the alternative to incarceration, when we continue to have significant numbers of repeat offenders. You know what I’m asking, yet continue to try and distract from it by nitpicking semantics. I don’t think you have an answer.

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Post by Towaway69 »

alansaber wrote: post #203

Pales in comparison to the disgruntlement around the ultra low emission zone around London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7y2xyxg7vo

> The explosion damaged a van opposite and blew out the tyre of a car as well as damaging a wall, front porch, shed and a Wendy house.

> Shrapnel also shot through a passing car into a passenger seat, while another piece of metal damaged the window frame of a child's bedroom.

Wtf. That was a “homemade” bomb to bring down one camera.

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Post by odie5533 »

eudamoniac wrote: post #228
defrost wrote: post #136

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> Can you name such a place with low crime, low incarceration rate, low surveillance, and importantly, low black population? Andorra and Finland both meet your four criteria.

He meant to say high black population

Ghana has a murder rate of 1.84 and incarceration rate of 133 per 100k. It didn't get this stable by buying Flock cameras. They have nowhere near the surveillance of the U.S. And they have far fewer murders, far less violent crime, and far fewer incarcerations. If only the prosecutors had more evidence then it could be more like the U.S.!?

Woodmore, Maryland is 82% black. Chance of being a victim of a violent crime is 1 in 904. That's three times safer than the national average. It's an extremely safe community with an overwhelming majority of residents being black.

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Post by bean469 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #234
monero-xmr wrote: post #59

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The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

I agree. There needs to be a non racist president that just sweeps in and does a El Salvador type cleanup of the streets. I bet the 80%+ of normal black people in crime ridden cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Memphis, Detroit, New Orleans would be in full support. Let’s be honest, young black gangsters are the main criminal element in these places. Trump can’t do this because he is a piece of shit with no integrity.

> There needs to be a non racist president that just sweeps in and does a El Salvador type cleanup of the streets.

Sounds like a certain, controversial federal law enforcement agency in the US

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Post by odie5533 »

monero-xmr wrote: post #184
co_king_5 wrote: post #134

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Why would you want someone who commits a violent crime to avoid prison?

Why is your focus so narrow on ensuring people get punished for crimes rather than ensuring there is no crime? We have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Increasing that isn't going to turn us into Iceland.

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Post by latency-guy2 »

nkrisc wrote: post #197
jimnotgym wrote: post #182

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It seems odd though. Don't you have the right to bear arms, with some idea that it is needed to prevent the government from exercising excessive powers over you, yet actually doing anything with those guns to protect yourself from tyranny is a crime? I remember hearing once that the constitution, having been written by a bunch of insurrectionists, intended people to have the power to keep the government out of their…

> Don't you have the right to bear arms, with some idea that it is needed to prevent the government from exercising excessive powers over you, yet actually doing anything with those guns to protect yourself from tyranny is a crime? Because when it comes to that, the government is a failed state and no one will be worried about what’s legal. It’s not meant to be a means of legal recourse, it’s a last resort.

> It’s not meant to be a means of legal recourse, it’s a last resort.

Guns are a first line defense for millions of people. A lawyer with a briefcase and a judge wearing a gaudy robe+wig is not a defense at all.

Though the imagery of it would be funny of blasting each of those out of a cannon.

Even the government agrees, issuing a firearm to their officers who go out into the field (read: where everyone else is).

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Post by DonHopkins »

stavros wrote: post #21
mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

Why would I fly an expensive drone close to a camera, fumble about for a minute trying to get it painted like a renaissance artist, when I can get a paintball gun for much less?

Mitch Altman should make a "Flock-B-Gone".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV-B-Gone

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Post by mock-possum »

jimnotgym wrote: post #172
vorpalhex wrote: post #46

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You want to fly a multi-hundred dollar device loaded with radios that constantly broadcasts out a unique ID and possibly your FAA ID and use it for crime? Or even better yet, get arrested halfway to trying to dip your drone into paint on a sidewalk? Just throw a rock at the stupid thing.

In 1950s UK every country kid had a catapult in their pocket. Maybe that is what we should do. Give the kids catapults and tell them not to use them on Flock cameras. That is usually effective at making kids so stuff

You mean a slingshot?

(Or a trebuchet?)

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