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Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

Johnny555 wrote: post #199
bandrami wrote: post #148

I still don't understand how otherwise sensible people can have an Alexa or Google Home. Like what part of that seems like a good idea to them?

Having an Alexa or Google Home doesn't seem any worse (or even less worse) than carrying a phone around everywhere I go. If you're worried that the device can be hacked to listen to you full-time (or that the provider is lying about it only listening to you after it hears the wake word), you should be worried about your phone for the same reason. Plus my Alexa isn't going to give google a map of everywhere I travel s…

Yes. I catch myself all the time when I wonder how people are so willing to place these spy devices inside their home. But, "oh yeah, I have a phone on my nightstand every night :-/".

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Post by catapart »

dakolli wrote: post #95

Doesn't matter, I've come to the conclusion I'll never buy into one these networks. There's a reason "security" cameras were always on "closed circuit", there's no need give these companies money.

Same. I've been wanting to get into a Frigate setup, but I personally can't stand all of the "tech bullshit" of it all. I would love an actual product that I could plug in, connect to local wifi, and then connect cameras to, using auto-detection, via that same wifi.

Since no one will build that (or at least not build one where I never, under any circumstances, have to touch their servers; or not one they'll prove never does), I've been gathering the specifications for how to build it myself. I don't really have the means to make it a mass produced solution, but I can certainly build a fucking server that does everything I want, and shove it in a public repo with a readme. Maybe some hero out there with a 3d printing farm will create a package out of it, but I won't hold my breath for that.

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Post by nyeah »

hackable_sand wrote: post #200
harrall wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? This is basic human social skills. It’s like when you don’t like someone’s friends but you’re not actually going to say that out loud. Instead you say “I'm just too tired to go out” — it’s a “diplomatic out.” Yes it’s a lie at face value but you leave people with their dignity while simultaneously signal your intent. Your friend, who presumably has social skills, picks up the subtext and you successfully commun…

I say: "I don't like your friend because they are a neo-Nazi", and then I don't go out with them.

They Might Be Giants had a cool song on this theme back in the 1990s. Based on net downvotes, I suspect times really have changed.

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Post by nyeah »

seanhunter wrote: post #227
stalfosknight wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they'd rather lie in their press release.

It may even be that they have no alternative but to lie in their press release. Like say hypothetically they went to Flock and said “I know we have a contract saying we’re gonna do this partnership but given the optics and the amount of heat we’re getting we have to cancel”. Flock may well have agreed on a break to the contract but stipulated that Flock had to agree to the wording of the press statement and Amazon wa…

"Don't worry, Jeff, I have your back."

"Thanks! How sweet! You're laid off."

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Post by nixpulvis »

mlrtime wrote: post #223
kristopolous wrote: post #202

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I've been looking for cheap optionally non-cloud camera recently and cycled through 15 different vendors on amazon buying, testing, probing, and returning. Here's what I found. If you don't want to pay a lot, there's something called "wansview" which is a white-label to a number of cheap amazon cameras (sub $20). You can do ONVIF and RTSP on any of the wansview firmwared devices and then knock them off the internet t…

Are you saying they all come with the same firmware/software or they can be flashed to something else? It seems just as risky picking from a bunch of white labeled chinese knock-off type cameras, who knows whats running on them.

An external firewall with strict no WAN access would be smart regardless.

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Post by baggachipz »

noduerme wrote: post #108
dakolli wrote: post #95

Doesn't matter, I've come to the conclusion I'll never buy into one these networks. There's a reason "security" cameras were always on "closed circuit", there's no need give these companies money.

I've had a couple Ring cams for years. I hate the network, hate having to pay for the cloud storage, I've just been too lazy to research self-hosted alternatives. Is there solution you'd recommend that's relatively polished and easy to use?

I have an Arlo, which allows me to put an SD card in the base station to record locally. No cloud bullshit. Of course, they still try to push you to their cloud bullshit, but keeping it local is free (from monthly fees). Works great, even integrates with Homekit.

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Post by [deleted] »

lstodd wrote: post #169
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security systems used to be 100x the cost (parts+install) before the cloud because you essentially needed a local NAS and to run a bunch of PoE enabled ethernet to each corner of your house.

Hm. So all those "security systems" are defeated by a $1 jammer?

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