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Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by bigyabai »

re-thc wrote: post #237
bigyabai wrote: post #233

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Okay, so to rephrase their comment, the majority of the consumer PC audience will not invest in those things at the price Apple demands for it.

> the majority of the consumer PC audience will not invest in those things at the price Apple demands for it Who? As in you? But Apple is gaining market share. Apple is cheaper for what it offers in hardware ignoring the Apple ecosystem. Are we up to date? The Apple tax is old news. With all the ram and ssd price hikes Apple is proving even more value.

> Who? As in you?

No, as in the entire PC market for the past two decades: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

> Apple is cheaper for what it offers in hardware ignoring the Apple ecosystem.

Then it sounds like their work is cut out for them. They've got a lot of market share to catch up on, and they're not gaining very quickly.

Makes me glad for businesses like Nvidia, who are very willing to ship industry-grade ARM hardware even if Apple won't.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by halapro »

paganel wrote: post #129
halapro wrote: post #93

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> It's not core to their business You're not thinking ahead. AI isn't just chat bots and image editing. I want to tell my phone: I'm road tripping to XYZ tomorrow, 10 am to 5 pm. and have my phone become a guide for the day, including stops it knows I like and hotel in my price range with the amenities it knows I need. If I get hungry it just slips in a stop wherever I ask. This can come as an "everything app" or it…

> and have my phone become a guide for the day, Why would you ever want to do that? Why wont' you stop and live life for a moment?, stop delegating stuff to your phone, especially when it comes to personal trips. Really bleak, this "always optimizing stuff" thing, really, really bleak. Tech-bro culture has done a good one to mainstream culture, because I see the same mindset seeping through to mainstream life.

I travel a lot and it's extremely time consuming. I don't even do much research beforehand anymore. I really wish I got a notification like "I know you're heading that way, how about this waterfall? It only adds 15 minutes of driving."

The reality is that I do not enjoy at all sorting through tickets and booking emails and apps, I just want to ask my phone "show me tonight's booking" and then hand the phone to the hotel's front desk.

There's so much an assistant can do and Siri is just so far from it.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by re-thc »

bigyabai wrote: post #241
re-thc wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the majority of the consumer PC audience will not invest in those things at the price Apple demands for it Who? As in you? But Apple is gaining market share. Apple is cheaper for what it offers in hardware ignoring the Apple ecosystem. Are we up to date? The Apple tax is old news. With all the ram and ssd price hikes Apple is proving even more value.

> Who? As in you? No, as in the entire PC market for the past two decades: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide... > Apple is cheaper for what it offers in hardware ignoring the Apple ecosystem. Then it sounds like their work is cut out for them. They've got a lot of market share to catch up on, and they're not gaining very quickly. Makes me glad for businesses like Nvidia, who are very willin…

> No, as in the entire PC market for the past two decades

Is this why AI is winning? People aren't doing better. You pick a random stat and somehow make it support what you're arguing.

The link says DESKTOP. I said LAPTOP. Laptop after M1. Why are we going back 2 decades? They have >15% registered as unknown. Sure, "accurate". Cough cough. It doesn't differentiate new or old and IF (the original discussion) that Apple is gaining market share and NEW sales.

> and they're not gaining very quickly

This is just as bad as speculative stock trading e.g. with software stocks. They're losing to AI. Oh no. Dump. Oh they're actually not too bad. Buy it back. Apple doesn't have AI. Sell. Apple doesn't have AI. Buy. Are you ok?

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by pjmlp »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #219
pjmlp wrote: post #177

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Until the Apple tax goes away, most folks will put up with Windows flaws, unless Apple changes their pricing policy for countries that cannot afford G8 level salaries.

There is no Apple tax, but there is a price to be paid for the performance, battery life and integration of the Apple ecosystem.

And all those Radar bugs, those are priceless.

The Apple tax are the hedious margins Apple imposes into their customers.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by pjmlp »

re-thc wrote: post #243
bigyabai wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who? As in you? No, as in the entire PC market for the past two decades: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide... > Apple is cheaper for what it offers in hardware ignoring the Apple ecosystem. Then it sounds like their work is cut out for them. They've got a lot of market share to catch up on, and they're not gaining very quickly. Makes me glad for businesses like Nvidia, who are very willin…

> No, as in the entire PC market for the past two decades Is this why AI is winning? People aren't doing better. You pick a random stat and somehow make it support what you're arguing. The link says DESKTOP. I said LAPTOP. Laptop after M1. Why are we going back 2 decades? They have >15% registered as unknown. Sure, "accurate". Cough cough. It doesn't differentiate new or old and IF (the original discussion) that Appl…

Laptops are desktops in 2026, and without needing Apple style dongles to make out of missing ports, yet another Apple "improvement" in expensive hardware.

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Post by willio58 »

dabinat wrote: post #14

I feel like the difference between Steve Jobs’ and Tim Cook’s leadership styles is that Cook is really good at optimizing existing processes, but does not have the vision to capitalize on what’s next. Apple got into the smartphone game at the right time with a lot of new ideas. But whatever the next big shift in technology is, they will be left behind. I don’t know if that is AI, but it’s clear that in AI they are al…

The other difference between Steve and Tim is Steve would have never been caught dead giving a gold gift to a sitting president. It comes off as desperate and evil, two things Steve would have hated associating with Apple.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

Whatarethese wrote: post #69
azinman2 wrote: post #30

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Siri has had many, many, many engineers on it for a while.

I wish I could be assigned a project and make no progress in over a decade and still have a job.

Been there, done that, would not recommend. Working on such projects is incredibly frustrating and demoralizing.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by NetMageSCW »

neya wrote: post #145
seec wrote: post #103

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That's just the typical Apple distortion field. I have been using Apple devices and supporting many of their users for over 20 years, and they are all extremely invested in their choice of computing device. It's really a source of pride for many of them, weirdly. For this reason, anything Apple does is necessarily better than everything else on the market. It's a bit pointless to argue because they come from an emoti…

I agree completely. This sort of emotional immaturity was acceptable a decade ago. But today? They are behind everything. I have 3 Macs, 2 iPads and 1 iPhone and their software is sh*t. iPad pro is a joke. It should be illegal to use the label pro as it constitutes false marketing. It's such a dumb OS for the kind of hardware you get. What's the use if it has M3 Pro or whatever if the OS can't keep up. Half the time,…

And yet 2.35 billion Apple devices are in use and growing. You may be the outlier.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by NetMageSCW »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #196
mrweasel wrote: post #116

It's hard to imagine that just killing off Siri would hurt iPhone sales. It would be interesting to know how many people actually use, or even want Siri, or any type of voice assistant for that matter. The primary value of Siri is to check a box for investors, who are riding the AI wave. The same people how rode the voice assistant wave 15 years ago. There's a lot of AI features that makes sense for Apple to include…

I've been using an iPhone since 2017 and the only times I use Siri is to set an alarm or to play Music. Setting an alarm works like 90% of the time. Playing music on the other hand is a coin toss. Most of the time it fails because it plays the wrong song, cannot understand what I say or just refuse to play and ask me to unlock the phone because I'm not using apple music.

I use it to run Shortcuts I’ve created daily. Just have to careful with the naming - something too short can get confused.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Post by nandomrumber »

roryirvine wrote: post #217
nandomrumber wrote: post #172

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What is diverse about Switzerland? Isn’t it largely made up of Swiss, Germans, Italians, and Portuguese?

Diversity of nationality isn't the only type of diversity.

It’s not real helpful to say that and also provide no examples as to what diversity could mean in this context.
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