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Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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As a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"? Why would one want to haul so many tons of extra metal around just to transport one's behind?

The R2 isn't even really a mid-size SUV. It is closer to a RAV4, which is considered a "compact SUV" or "crossover" [1]. Mid-size SUVs like the Honda Pilot tend to be even larger.

[1] https://www.carmax.com/articles/suv-size-comparison-guide

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Do you really need a 0-60mph time of 3.0 seconds in a mommymobile?

In my observation the primary purpose of this performance seems to be to be able to round on-ramps at really slow speeds and then floor it and merge leaving slower vehicles behind you with a crap situation.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

>Fast and efficient, it respects the product’s fragility.

>Heavy duty construction for an intensive daily use.

Wait is it fragile or is it heavy duty? I guess they used "product" instead of "produce".

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Maybe consider a sports club that's in walking -- or cycling -- distance. But I guess that's also insane. Unless you're going surfing, 3 kids and their sporting equipment fit in a small hatchback, with room to spare.

see, this is the narrow minded view of so many europeans. Well just go to a closer sports club....is not an answer to the problem that thousands of people experience with small cars, and small roads.

Many more thousands have no issues with small cars or going to a closer sports club.

If the roads in cities are wide enough in cities for literal trucks, then they're wide enough for your car. Widening roads and making cars bigger makes pretty much everyone less safe.

Don't get me wrong, you're free to live in the boonies and drive 400km to your sports club, but don't call me narrow minded because I can load up 5 people in my VW passat and drive 500km for a 10 day vacation, or because I prefer not to get bulldozed by a car with a higher hood than me while walking to my local sports club.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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One of the good things in the UK is seeing how quickly my neighbours swapped out their Tesla's for BYD's. I'm not in the market at the moment so don't know what the UK protectionism position is on Chinese EV's, but has been interesting to watch how quick it's happening. I work in design and we're talking to two Chinese EV companies launching in the UK this year, so the wall can't be that high for them.

Imo its not anti-China protectionism. Western models are cheaper in China, and Chinese models are more expensive in the EU & UK. I think it's a combination of manufacturers wanting a higher profit, some adaptations & certification processes, dealer and service infrastructure necessary for selling in the West that just costs more. I don't think Chinese manufacturers will be able to significantly undercut the competiti…

I would have thought that to be the case too ... I know all about the exciting Xiaomi cars (e.g.) but I grew up in the era of the Chinese brand being "low quality". We're well beyond that now and have been for probably a decade. And don't get me wrong, I'm not a China cheerleader.

I give the example I mentioned. People local to me swapping out their model 3's for BYD. Maybe they just got to their end of their lease cycle and wanted to try something different, but I cannot believe they would have willingly chosen a significantly lower quality car (knowing some of them). And I believe the cost difference is marginal but the overall package just a bit better.

And you know people, they'll swap out anything for just a marginal saving. Doesn't have to be significant unless there's some network effects. And there really isn't with cars.

Anyway, I'm just yapping, but think the used Tesla market is going to get even more swamped than it already is. Not a bad thing because previously people looking for low cost cars were buying diesels - so I'm hopeful that'll transition to low cost EV's now ... but the game is up for Tesla automotive, but we've known that for some time.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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an families with multiple kids? They should do what? Come now.

Walk? Bike? Take the bus? People had kids for years before cars were invented.

This argument does not work when society is build towards roads and using them. I live in the Netherlands in a village, and not using a car is impossible with a few kids. The city is different.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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I have 2014 Tesla S which which I recently had drive unit and battery replaced ($20k total). my friends all think I am nuts, but they all have $1k+ payments (some for 72m) while I haven’t had a car payment since 2017 and won’t have another one till 2036 :)

If your friends dumped $20K into paying off those loans they’d be a lot closer to paid off or maybe paid off completely, though. And that’s on a newer, lower mileage car. I’m all for maintaining vehicles and keeping them on the road, but I don’t think you’re in a place to criticize your friends with $1K car payments after putting almost 2 years worth of those payments into a car that’s over a decade old.

I put in two years worth of payments for 18 years driving the car (9 since my last payment and 9 more after the maintenance) :)

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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"No CarPlay" is approximately where I stopped reading -- and I am literally their dream target audience - enough money to buy a second car, easily able to afford one of theirs, have solar on top of my house making my electricity cheap, like techy things. They will either learn or ... not, I guess. I know I am not the only one. Nobody in my family would buy anything techy without my advice (and a modern EV is basicall…

yeah, seems extremely weird to not have it, it is a must for newer cars, especially ones that are EVs. I wonder why they don't have it, maybe a beef with the phone makers...

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Marques Brownlee is a kid who did shitty reviews of cell phones and is now a tech influencer, not an objective auto industry reviewer. He knows jack shit about the auto industry. Whatever comes out of his mouth is designed to make his clients - the companies who pay him to pimp their products - look as good as possible. Rivians are wildly heavy and inefficient compared to the rest of the industry. The R1T weighs more…

Its fitting he would think the reference in EVs is the Model Y of all things, the technologically outdated, slow charging car whose sales are falling off a cliff while the manufacturer is trying to upsell you a monthly subscription for lane keeping.

Yet I was unable to find a better priced vehicle that does not charge monthly for remote start, access to the vehicle's camera recordings, phone key, and navigation.

And the monthly subscription is for a software feature that does quite a bit more than lane keeping, in my experience of the trial they offered during December. I did multiple 45 min drives across town, on urban and traffic light streets without intervention, and many other drives where intervention was only required 1 or 2 times. I could see real utility in it for someone with slower reflexes or poorer eyesight, such as the elderly.

I haven't seen anyone offer that capability at anywhere near Model Y's price.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

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