Is it really that much better than alternatives to justify these constant outages?
It always has been to just self host. Predicted GitHub's outage streak as far back as half a decade ago [0].
"A better way is to self host". [0]
GitHub is down again
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Re: GitHub is down again
#242Oh! It's not my GitLab@Hetzner that's not working, it's GitHub. Just when I decided to opensource my project.
Well done for self-hosting.
Re: GitHub is down again
#243On the plus side, it's git, so developers can at least get back to work without too much hassle as long as they don't need the CI/CD side of things immediately.
Re: GitHub is down again
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
have you considered moving or having at least an alternative? asking as someone using caddy for personal hosting who likes to have their website secure. :)
We can of course host our code elsewhere, the problem is the community is kind of locked-in. It would be very "expensive" to move, and would have to be very worthwhile. So far the math doesn't support that kind of change. Usually an outage is not a big deal, I can still work locally. Today I just happen to be in a very GH-centric workflow with the security reports and such. I'm curious how other maintainers maintain…
Yep, I get you about the community.
As an alternative, I thought mainly as a secondary repo and ci in case that Github stops being reliable, not only as the current instability, but as an overall provider. I'm from the EU and recently catch myself evaluating every US company I interact with and I'm starting to realize that mine might not be the only risk vector to consider. Wondering how other people think about it.
Re: GitHub is down again
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I wonder who left the team recently. Must be someone bagged with shadow knowledge. Or maybe they send devops/devs work to another continent.
They're in the process of moving from "legacy" infra to Azure, so there's a ton of churn happening behind the scenes. That's probably why things keep exploding.
It took me a second to realize this wasn't sarcasm.
Re: GitHub is down again
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If you want to go really minimal you can do raw git+ssh and hooks (pre/post commit, etc).
i would imagine that's what everyone is doing instead of sitting on their hands. Setup a different remote and have your team push/pull to/from it until Github comes back up. I mean you could probably use ngrok and setup a remote on your laptop in a pinch. You shouldn't be totally blocked except for things like automated deployments or builds tied specifically to github.com Distributed source control is distributable.
It's also fun when a Jr. on the team distributes the .env file via Git...
Re: GitHub is down again
#247GitHub has had customer visible incidents large enough to warrant status page updates almost every day this year ( https://www.githubstatus.com/history ). This should not be normal for any service, even at GitHub's size. There's a joke that your workday usually stops around 4pm, because that's when GitHub Actions goes down every day. I wish someone inside the house cared to comment why the services barely stay up and…
It's 100% because the number of operations happening on Github has likely 100x'd since the introduction of coding agents. They built Github for one kind of scale, and the problem is that they've all of a sudden found themselves with a new kind of scale. That doesn't normally happen to platforms of this size.
A major platform lift and shift does not help. They are always incredibly difficult.
There are probably tons of baked in URLs or platform assumptions that are very easy to break during their core migration to Azure.
Re: GitHub is down again
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
have you considered moving or having at least an alternative? asking as someone using caddy for personal hosting who likes to have their website secure. :)
> have you considered moving or having at least an alternative Not who you're responding to, but my 2 cents: for a popular open-source project reliant on community contributions there is really no alternative. It's similar to social media - we all know it's trash and noxious, but if you're any kind of public figure you have to be there.
I get that, but if we all rely on the defaults, there couldn't be any alternatives.
Re: GitHub is down again
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
have you considered moving or having at least an alternative? asking as someone using caddy for personal hosting who likes to have their website secure. :)
You are talking to the maintainer of caddy :) Edit- oh you probably meant an alternative to GitHub perhaps..
no worries, misunderstandings happen.