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I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by q3k »

isoprophlex wrote: post #6
bearjaws wrote: post #3

Mark my words, Apple is going to go full enshittification in the next 5 years because they've squeezed every last drop out of hardware pricing. Especially with the failed Apple Intelligence that they will now have to pay their way out of.

Then what do i move to? No linux laptop feels as good to touch as the aluminum macbooks, and in terms of phones it can't get any worse than the ads-and-trackers shitshow that is android...

I would recommend fighting the 'oh it needs to FEEL premium' feeling. It doesn't, you're just spoile by companies who know exactly how to sell you crap specially designed to just feel nice. You're being played like a fiddle by marketing departments.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by [deleted] »

jorvi wrote: post #173
nntwozz wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point did the old Apple cross the threshold to "modern" Apple? I agree with your point I just find the distinction hard to pinpoint. It's like the (incorrect) analogy of the boiled frog, I know it's a cliché but I really feel things started downhill in overall quality and wow factor with the advent of Tim Cook. SJ had failures like Ping and MobileMe, but they seemed to pick up on the criticism back then and e…

Steve Jobs was all about the customer experience, hence so many of his famous quotes. Two like the most are: - Him saying "Microsoft has no style", not because I care about ribbing on Microsoft but because it indicated that Apple was a company that really cared about the aesthetics of both their hardware and software products - His response to the question why there was no $600 MacBook to compete with Windows plastic…

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Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by tsunamifury »

naravara wrote: post #223
nntwozz wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what point did the old Apple cross the threshold to "modern" Apple? I agree with your point I just find the distinction hard to pinpoint. It's like the (incorrect) analogy of the boiled frog, I know it's a cliché but I really feel things started downhill in overall quality and wow factor with the advent of Tim Cook. SJ had failures like Ping and MobileMe, but they seemed to pick up on the criticism back then and e…

Old Apple had a productive tension between Jony Ive and Scott Forestall on which direction to go in with design, with Steve Jobs as a tie-breaker. After Jobs passed away Tim Cook failed to manage that tension productively and was put in a position where he had to choose between Ive and Forestall. He chose Ive, which in itself was probably the right choice, but there was nobody with Forestall’s clout to temper Ive’s m…

To Ives credit he tried to do the brand split and focused on Apple Watch as the test bed first with “Edition” then “Hermes”

There just wasn’t the demand.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by mock-possum »

So close to getting it.

all ads are scams, in the sense that all cops are bastards - not so much that every individual cop is a bastard, more that the institution of advertising enshrines, encourages, and rewards scamming its audience. Do honest ads exist? Sure - but since you’ll never know which is which, you’re better off avoiding them as a rule, the risk is not worth the reward.

Is it possible to change the institution of policing, such that the bastards will be punished and excluded and removed as a general consideration? It’s possible, yes, but there are so many dollars tied up in the advertising industry that it’s pretty hard to imagine.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by icapybara »

speak_plainly wrote: post #54

Apple News and News+ represent everything wrong with modern Apple: a ham-fisted approach to simplicity that ignores the end user. It is their most mediocre service, jarringly jamming cheap clickbait next to serious journalism in a layout that makes no sense. The technical execution is just as lazy. While some magazines are tailored, many are just flat, low-res PDFs that look terrible on the high-end Retina screens Ap…

FYI it would be "Icing on the cake" or "cherry on top"

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by afavour »

tsunamifury wrote: post #236
afavour wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness Apple did come up with a custom JSON format for articles: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/applenewsformat The problem is that people don't use it. I imagine it's a chicken/egg thing, the audience on News isn't big so it isn't worth the publishers time catering to an entirely new format, the News experience is crappy so the audience doesn't grow. They could have insisted that everyone use their f…

It’s almost like Google AMP was a good idea and solving this problem this community had a melt down over it.

The 10000ft perspective on AMP was correct, the lived reality was awful. And the technical implementation used can't be divorced from everything that surrounded it: Google's place in the industry with regard to search engines, ads, etc.

In this specific example there is a very big difference between producing a format for use in a first-party app vs trying to replace standards for content used across the web.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by ihsw »

WarmWash wrote: post #235
digiown wrote: post #134

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That's why you block ALL ads. Starve the beast. If an app has ads, I do not use it, end of story.

Unfortunately the "beast" is the Internet content itself. Even HN itself is a massive ad. We are lured here with tech links so YC companies can fish in curated waters for workers. That is explicitly why this board is hosted. The real fix is paying money for everything, but as evidenced by the many attempts at this, no one actually wants to pay. People overwhelmingly want to block ads and backdoor subscriptions. For e…

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Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by Andrex »

tsunamifury wrote: post #236
afavour wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness Apple did come up with a custom JSON format for articles: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/applenewsformat The problem is that people don't use it. I imagine it's a chicken/egg thing, the audience on News isn't big so it isn't worth the publishers time catering to an entirely new format, the News experience is crappy so the audience doesn't grow. They could have insisted that everyone use their f…

It’s almost like Google AMP was a good idea and solving this problem this community had a melt down over it.

AMP was a good technical solution for a short window of time, deliberately tanked by confusing/centralized stewardship.

They kept opening it more and more but by then it was too late.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by el_benhameen »

speak_plainly wrote: post #54

Apple News and News+ represent everything wrong with modern Apple: a ham-fisted approach to simplicity that ignores the end user. It is their most mediocre service, jarringly jamming cheap clickbait next to serious journalism in a layout that makes no sense. The technical execution is just as lazy. While some magazines are tailored, many are just flat, low-res PDFs that look terrible on the high-end Retina screens Ap…

I like using it to listen to narrated versions of New Yorker articles.

Except I can’t tell it “I like narrated versions of New Yorker articles”. I can search by publisher, or I can browse narrated stories that are selected “for you” (none of which are of interest to me), but I can’t just search for “narrated stories AND New Yorker”.

And when I do finally find one, if I don’t finish in one session, there is zero context from the previous session when I return to the app—it has forgotten that I ever started listening to the story. I then need to go through the process of finding it again and trying to remember where I left off.

Yet another Apple app designed by idealists and tested and refined by nobody who actually uses the app.

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