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CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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I guess your sarcasm is not popular in this thread. Perhaps Musk-fatigue.

Most sarcasm worsens discussion. The comment guidelines say Don't be snarky.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Its not snarky. Grok if an awesome alternative view if you accept that you should use your brain to make your own opinion and not just accept wikipedia (which can be wrong) as truth.

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Do you people even use the models or do you just lie about them? https://chatgpt.com/share/6984c899-6cc4-8013-a8f6-ec204ee631...

You're using the Research model that isn't available to Free users. As a pupil myself, I can vouch for the fact that nobody is using the Research models here. Even if a pupil does pay, they will either be too lazy to wait the nearly 10 minutes it takes for the AI to do its research, or they actually care about getting good grades and therefore won't outsource their research to AI.

You can replicate on the free tier. You should try it. I'm just pointing out that the loudest anti-ai voices often either haven't used the models at all or are basing their bad opinions on outdated versions. Any opinion made about ChatGPT with GPT 3.5 is basically irrelevant at this point.

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Sometimes they hallucinate them, or if they exist, sources include blatant nonsense (like state owned propaganda, such as RT) / don't support the claims made by the output.

wtf are you conversing with LLMs that you regularly are running into "state owned propaganda" in the references? my "blatant nonsense" detector is going off...

https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/11/04/ai-chatbots-are-spe...

Original study: https://www.isdglobal.org/digital-dispatch/investigation-tal...

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Soft power is just a buzzword to give value to things that have zero demonstrable value. The CIA Factbook has played zero role in giving the US any measurable power.

I agree. People use "soft power" as the reason the US should do so many things for free, but the benefits aren't coming back to the US.

The argument against abandoning soft power is that it's going to cost a lot more in hard power to maintain the same status. We'll see how it plays out.

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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It can be both. It uses Primary and Secondary sources. That is why you check the references and use them appropriately.

> Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, and to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an ori…

So, not, not allowed.

"The concept of primary, secondary, and tertiary sources originated with the academic discipline of historiography. The point was to give historians a handy way to indicate how close the source of a piece of information was to the actual events.[a]

Importantly, the concept developed to deal with "events", rather than ideas or abstract concepts. A primary source was a source that was created at about the same time as the event, regardless of the source's contents. So while a dictionary is an example of a tertiary source, an ancient dictionary is actually a primary source—for the meanings of words in the ancient world."

"All sources are primary for something

Every source is the primary source for something, whether it be the name of the author, its title, its date of publication, and so forth. For example, no matter what kind of book it is, the copyright page inside the front of a book is a primary source for the date of the book's publication. Even if the book would normally be considered a secondary source, if the statement that you are using this source to support is the date of its own publication, then you are using that book as a primary source."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_usin...

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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post #203

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Have you used one recently? The big providers all cite sources if give a research prompt.

Unfortunately, the citations are generally quite low quality and have in my experience a high rate of not actually supporting the text they're attached to.

This is on par with humans, honestly. I’ve dug into cited studies by consulting firms that were 100% false.

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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post #147

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Looking at the underlying study, this isn’t evidence of bias. It’s evidence of correlation between Republicans and negative sentiment. If you look at the sentiment for public figures given, the bottom one is, for example, Brett Kavanaugh. Well, he was credibly accused of sexual assault during his confirmation hearings, which was a huge deal at the time. Someone with that on their record will probably be read as negat…

The accusations weren’t particularly credible and similar slander campaigns against people like Joe Biden aren’t nearly as prominent. Even notorious dictators like Mao Zedong get treated with kid gloves as long as they’re on the left: https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/how-wikipedia-whitewashe...

Kid gloves? The cites text literally says:

> His policies resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people in China during his reign, mainly due to starvation, but also through persecution, prison labour in laogai, and mass executions

What's "kid gloves" about that?

Let's contrast with the the farthest thing from a leftwing dictator we can find, the quintessential rightwing one, Adolf Hitler. Here's the intro to his Wikipedia page:

> Adolf Hitler[a] (20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who was the dictator of Germany during the Nazi era, which lasted from 1933 until his suicide in 1945. He rose to power as the leader of the Nazi Party,[b] becoming the chancellor of Germany in 1933 and then taking the title of Führer und Reichskanzler in 1934.[c] Germany's invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939 under his leadership marked the outbreak of the Second World War. Throughout the ensuing conflict, Hitler was closely involved in the direction of German military operations as well as the perpetration of the Holocaust, the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims.

Note how the atrocities are last, same as Mao.

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Credibility is the core currency of soft power, whether one views its ultimate goal as manufacturing consent or fostering genuine cultural attraction. Without that perceived reliability, the indicator "soft" loses it's meaning.

>Credibility is the core currency of soft power, whether one views its ultimate goal as manufacturing consent or fostering genuine cultural attraction. Not sure its worth dissecting this, but there is a lot of grey area in your claim of the meaning of Credibility. (Credibility and cultural attraction? Pretty sure these have little correlation. Dictators can make creditable threats.) Further, its a debatable claim tha…

It's not that complex, good faith builds good will.

It's a shame we can't have nice things.

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