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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by torginus » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:08 PM UTC

To this day I cannot wrap my head around the fact why did Microsoft allow a culture to grow inside the company (either through hiring, or through despondence) that at best is indifferent towards the company's products and at worst openly despises them?

I'm sure no other tech company is like this.

I think technologies like the Windows kernel and OS, the .NET framework, their numerous attempts to build a modern desktop UI framework with XAML, their dev tools, were fundamentally good at some point.

Yet they cant or wont hire people who would fix Windows, rather than just maintain it, really push for modernization, make .NET actually cool and something people want to use.

They'd rather hire folks who were taught at school that Microsoft is the devil and Linux is superior in all ways, who don't know the first thing about the MS tech stack, and would rather write React on the Macbooks (see the start menu incident), rather than touch anything made by Microsoft.

It seems somehow the internal culture allows this. I'm sure if you forced devs to use Copilot, and provided them with the tools and organizational mandate to do so, it would become good enough eventually to not have to force people to use it.

My main complaint I keep hearing about Azure (which I do not use at workr)

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Tempest1981 » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:08 PM UTC

neogodless wrote: post #212

anal_reactor wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm "I don't know what Xbox is" years old.

It's a music app. I thought that much was obvious.

Can I pair it with my Zune?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by ksec » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:09 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #134

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

>Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions Microsoft cannot and will not ever get better at naming things. It is said the universe will split open and and eldritch beast will consume the stars the day Microsoft stops using inconsistent and overlapping names for different and conflicting products. Isn't that right .Net/dotnet

Exactly. In the 50 years history of Microsoft, Office ( Year ) was perhaps the best they did.

Nadella might have fixed a few things, but Microsoft still have massive room for improvement in many areas.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by speedgoose » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:09 PM UTC

formerly_proven wrote: post #206

satvikpendem wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft can use OpenAI models but it's not the model that's the problem, it's the application of them. Anthropic simply knows how to execute better.

As evidenced by Anthropic models not performing well in github presents copilot.

I read that a few times but from my personal observations, Claude Opus 4.5 is not significantly different in GitHub Copilot. The maximum context size is smaller for sure, but I don’t think the model remembers that well when the context is huge.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by wahnfrieden » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:10 PM UTC

Reading about ubiquitous Claude Code use inside of Apple and Microsoft, and not Codex, makes me very worried about forthcoming software quality.

Claude Code is fun, full of personality, many features to hack around model shortcomings, and very quick, but it should not be let anywhere near serious coding work.

That's also why OpenClaw uses Claude for personality, but its author (@steipete) disallows any contribution to it using Claude Code and uses Codex exclusively for its development. Claude Code is a slop producer with illusions of productivity.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by torginus » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:13 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #236

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a "business" model, not a language model, which I believe is what the poster is referring to. In any case though, MS does have a number of models, most notably Phi. I don't think anyone is using them for significant work though.

It's a word play, if their LLM model sucks too much they'll get someone else's. I mean they fought the browser war for years, then just used Chrome.

Which is kind of a bummer - it'd have helped the standards based web to have an actual powerful entity maintain a distinct implementation. Firefox is on life-support and is basically taking code from Blink wholesale, and Webkit isn't really interested in making a browser thats particularly compliant to web standards.

MS's calculus was obvious - why spend insane amounts of engineering effort to make a browser engine that nobody uses - which is too bad, because if I remember correctly they were not too far behind Chrome in either perf or compatibility for a while.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by TZubiri » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:14 PM UTC

Friendship ended with OpenAI, Now Anthropic is my best friend

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dobin » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:15 PM UTC

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

Like Microsoft Defender, which is now Defender Antivirus, or Defender for Endpoint if you have a real license. You will also get Defender for Identity, and maybe Defender for Office 365, which is probably not ASR. And Defender for Cloud, not to be confused with Defender for Cloud Apps.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by pluralmonad » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:15 PM UTC

jonathanoliver wrote: post #166

Kinda reminds of the time Microsoft used git internally but was pushing Team Foundation Server.

There is an entire generation of devs that TFS ruined for version control. I've had to essentially rehabilitate folks and heal old TFS wounds to get them properly using git (so many copies of repos on their filesystem...).

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by joncrane » Mon, Feb 02, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

dataviz1000 wrote: post #55

oefrha wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Code’s subscription pricing is pretty ridiculously subsidized compared to their API pricing if you manage to use anywhere close to the quota. Like 10x I think. Crazy value if you were using $400 in tokens.

I just upgraded to the $100 a month 5x plan 5 minutes ago. Starting in October with Vscode Copilot Chat it was $150, $200, $300, $400 per month with the same usage. I thought they were just charging more per request without warning. The last couple weeks it seemed that vscode copilot was just fucking up making useless calls. Perhaps, it wasn't a dark malicious pattern but rather incompetence that was driving up the p…

"Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence"