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Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
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Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#242I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…
Great. Can you share how exactly someone's location is being derived?
> ...what building they're in...
Given that not every device has built in GPS, it sounds like the Network Team is going to have to provide the locations of APs for that to work.
Curious how Teams will resolve that. If you're on your phone using a VPN back to your home network will it know or show you as at home? What happens if you have multiple APs at home?
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#243I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…
1. VeryGoodCorp builds a "harmless" feature that's super useful and maybe even opt-in. Only privacy-nuts object to it.
2. The feature is in fact useful, so most people enable it. It may even become company policy to have it enabled.
3. Companies who buy this feature ask for a way to force their employees to use it, as it's "confusing" if location data is only available for 90% of the employees. Not it's an opt-out feature, in the best case.
4. VeryGoodCorp is in a bit of trouble with its shareholders. Revenue growth hasn't been as great lately. They realize that they are sitting on a mountain of location data, aggregated from multiple harmless features, that would tell its customers if their employees are slacking off at work. Surprisingly, the customers are willing to pay good money for a "employee productivity score".
5. Profit..
Edit: formatting
Edit 2: Now you may say "well that wouldn't be legal", and depending on the jurisdiction I'm sure it isn't. But that hasn't kept VeryGoodCorp from collecting this data, they just forgot to turn off the toggle for EU you know, honest mistake. But they still have the data, and laws can change, or, you know, made to change.. (Prop 22 anyone?)
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#244This article is like 300 words. Would it have killed them to not generate it using AI?
I don't know how much of it was hand-edited and how much was direct output, but this article has that unmistakable LLM voice. The rhythm, the rhetorical flourishes; it's all there even if it's diffused through some human revision. The really weird thing is going to be when people start internalizing the LLM voice and writing that way. It's probably happening already.
I've seen many people do the latter, I get quite annoyed by it. Worst of all is wondering if I'm affected by it myself, I doubt most people who've gotten an 'LLM writing style' know so themselves.
Eventually no space where people can just 'publish' things will be safe from being completely filled with LLM writing/video/images. The only way to combat it is by forcing people to get punished for this behaviour and making it difficult to circumvent.
Some invite system where people get punished for the bad people they bring in, one that's linked to your identity/workplace/education. Even if these options were available, I doubt many people would care enough, they'd rather be in 'enshittified ' spaces.
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Other things can stop things.
Without some sort of organized intervention this sort of tracking will only get worse. A law is the basic way to enforce collective behavior, but sure, if your government doesn't pass one then you should organize some other way. Probably a union in this case.
You could also spam it full of fake data
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#246I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…
Out of curiosity is this related to the 'emergency location' that we admins have to provide for every calling plan user or is it a wholly separate system? Reading the other comments here they must not realize that teams is already tracking their address because it has to know which PSAP to connect them to.
This location either uses the named locations I have set up in Entra (we use our public IP ranges for it) or it prompts users for their address if isn't sure. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/emergency-c...
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#247One more reason it sucks to be American? I know of several counties where that violates more than a couple labour and constitutional laws.
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#248I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…
Out of curiosity is this related to the 'emergency location' that we admins have to provide for every calling plan user or is it a wholly separate system? Reading the other comments here they must not realize that teams is already tracking their address because it has to know which PSAP to connect them to. This location either uses the named locations I have set up in Entra (we use our public IP ranges for it) or it…
Honestly I don't know - building location is probably using the same data though.
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#249I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…
Out of curiosity is this related to the 'emergency location' that we admins have to provide for every calling plan user or is it a wholly separate system? Reading the other comments here they must not realize that teams is already tracking their address because it has to know which PSAP to connect them to. This location either uses the named locations I have set up in Entra (we use our public IP ranges for it) or it…
The emergency location is for 911 dispatch. The theory goes that in the time of wired phones, a call from 212 555 1212 was definitely from the phone on the 11th floor of 60 Hudson Street, so the correct police/fire/ambulance would be obviously in South Manhattan -- but now that we have VOIP and softphones, the phone could be anywhere -- so which 911 point-of-presence should handle it?
Hence the explicit statement.
Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?
#250I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…
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