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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by Bender »

charliebwrites wrote: post #85
ddtaylor wrote: post #6

I don't know signal very well but when I have spoken to others about it they mention that the phone number is the only metadata they will have access to. This seems like a good example of that being enough metadata to be a big problem.

The steps to trouble: - identify who owns the number - compel that person to give unlocked phone - government can read messages of _all_ people in group chat not just that person Corollary: Disappearing messages severely limits what can be read

compel that person to give unlocked phone

Celebrite or just JTAG over bluetooth or USB. It's always been a thing but legally they are not supposed to use it. Of course laws after the NSA debacle are always followed. Pinky promise.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by blurbleblurble »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #178
hedayet wrote: post #111

With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

Incompetence could also be incredibly dangerous given enough destructive willpower.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/nsa-palantir-israel-...

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by biophysboy »

iamnothere wrote: post #31

I have seen anti-Signal FUD all over the place since it was discovered that protesters have been coordinating on Signal. Here’s the facts: - Protesters have been coordinating using Signal - Breaches of private Signal groups by journalists and counter protesters were due to poor opsec and vetting - If the feds have an eye into those groups, it’s likely that they gained access in the same way as well as through informa…

The downside of opsec is that it breeds paranoia and fear about legal, civic participation. In a way, bullshit investigations like this are an intimidation tactic. What are they going to find - a bunch of Minnesotans that were mad about state-backed killings?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by blurbleblurble »

mikkupikku wrote: post #186
hedayet wrote: post #111

With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

How does Palantir defeat Signal's crypto? I suppose it could be done by pwning everybody's phones, but Palantir mostly does surveillance AFAIK, I haven't heard of them getting into the phone hacking business. I think Israeli corps have that market covered.

It doesn't, they're infiltrating the groups and/or gaining access to peoples' phones in other ways.

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Post by ourmandave »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57

I’ve never seen a set of voluntary fall guys like Noem, Patel and Miller. (And Hegseth for when a military operation fails.)

Every one is a potential fall guy except the King. First sign you're a liability and under the bus you go. And unless you're on Truth Social you're usually the last to know.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by ceejayoz »

charcircuit wrote: post #209
janalsncm wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we’re getting rid of the first amendment maybe we should also get rid of the fourth and fifth amendment too since they make law enforcement harder? I’m sure cops in North Korea have a much easier and safer job.

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And protesting is not vigilante justice.

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Post by sixsevenrot »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #178
hedayet wrote: post #111

With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by Bender »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #216
charliebwrites wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The steps to trouble: - identify who owns the number - compel that person to give unlocked phone - government can read messages of _all_ people in group chat not just that person Corollary: Disappearing messages severely limits what can be read

I think disappearing messages only works if you activate it on your local device. And if the man compromises someone without everyone else knowing, they get all messages after that. But yes... it does limit what can be read. My point is it's not perfect.

Is the message on storage zero'd out or just deleted?

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Post by xmcp123 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #114
metalliqaz wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Miller is not the fall guy. The other clowns, yes, but not him. He's the most hard-core fascist in the bunch.

I don't know if I'd classify Noem as a patsy or fall gal, either. When you mention an anecdote about shooting a hunting dog in your autobiography, that shows something beyond just being a "true believer" or stooge. That is willingly pointing out that you are willing to act out your lack of empathy through violence towards an animal. I'm not a clinician (and haven't met Noem) but that just seems to me to be something…

Noem strikes me as a loyalist and a team player through and through, so probably a fall gal.

Miller is different. He has his own agenda, a lot of which has becomes trumps agenda. But trumps agenda changing does not change what Miller’s agenda is.

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