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Post by xphos »

thunky wrote: post #166
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

it would be interesting to see up and down levels rather than just a net effect. That lets a user see this is 50/50 split issue or like 70/30 split maybe it has more substance

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Post by wswope »

progbits wrote: post #203
Schmerika wrote: post #189

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And there are people who own and run this website with extremely aligned interests. Altman and Thiel have long had YC connections (obv); and for the last year or so Garry Tan and PG have been full-throatedly cheerleading Musk and DOGE on their Twitter pages. Then there's the many connections between YC and the 'defense' industry; you know, the one making billions of dollars from wars that people speak out about on so…

Cue the usual dang copypasta how there is no evidence of flag brigading, and how they "moderate less", and so on.

Can’t make a man understand something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it.

Dan sold out his moral compass.

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Post by awesome_dude »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #86
awesome_dude wrote: post #78

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Wait, everything ELSE was a "performance" but a (claimed) standing ovation was the real deal...?

You can just watch the event. Edit: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm24vjvy3n1o "I was in the room when President Donald Trump entered and it's fair to say he got a good welcome from the crowd, certainly at the beginning. A standing ovation."

The issue isn't whether or not there was a "standing ovation" - the issue is that you are framing anything you think of as vaguely negative as fake and anything that you think is vaguely positive as genuine.

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Post by atomic_reed »

zombot wrote: post #157
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> not even trying to defend their position Hard to do when your position is essentially indefensible.

It is defensible.

First, there is no evidence that they were censored because of keywords. Crazily enough, they may have been censored by god (or simply datacenter issues).

Second, if there were such censorship features, then it shows that the US was right to buy TikTok. Imagine if National Socialists or those who are against liberty and justice had access to such features.

Third, we are in a time of great danger, thus requiring great actions. What is the danger? It cannot be explained. What is the solution? To re-use the past. In early 1000s, the Germans were both holy and roman and justly created living space in the East. Hundreds of years later, we started Manifest Destiny. Similar to 南进 of the Vietnamese, we should recognize the job has not been finished. This requires rewriting history. While China existed for 5000 years, the US has existed for 6000. The Jewish, Christian, and American spirits merged together, and people of 100s of different dialects were pulled into the area, and the wave of freedom moved back abroad. This was the formation of the American language, a true melting pot. While many Americans have genetic ties to Europe, they have one difference, a spirit that is free and mobile. Unlike the Europeans who stay in one place and look down at the wandering Roma, the Americans are inherently mobile, experiencing new ways at life. This is the Spirit and what allows for Americans to manifest the destiny of the world from East to West.

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Post by orwin »

0x3f wrote: post #233
orwin wrote: post #221

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> Neoliberalism is basically just markets-by-default and evidence-based alternatives when they fail. That's not though. I think the name is from the 'New classical school', oppose Keynesian economics. I think the meaning drifted to mean supply-side economics (direct inheritor from the Chicago school and the new classical school). Neoliberalism can't be 'evidence-based' when it rejects basic observation (like those fr…

Let's be honest, even being an MM theorist is a form of self selection that enables another kind of discussion. Neoliberal disagreement with MMT is categorically different from e.g. its disagreements with neocons or socdems in general. The latter are often just moral beliefs or running with first principles in a way that niche economic frameworks are not. I think your criticism of it as not being 'evidence based' bec…

I think i disagree? Socdems are mostly weird keynesians, and think of the economy from the demand side. For them, inequality is fundamentally bad because it reduce aggregate demand. You know the legend about Ford paying its employee more so they could afford cars (it was not, competent auto/metallurgy workers were rare and took time to train, he paid them more because he had to to keep them working for him)? That's basically a socdem wet dream (that's why some socdems accepted trickle-down economics like neolibs (i.e without any shred of evidence), because it conform with the theory).

But that's true that a lot of socdems don't really understand economic theory and so some criticism seems empty, because they repeat a criticism they did not understood. And that's ok, because macroeconomics is the less scientific of all social science field (for good reason), and who would want to bother with it (unless you're an idiot who took that in college because it seemed to pair well with math :/)

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Post by skibidithink »

thunky wrote: post #166
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

The solution if you really want to hear from the other side is to visit their echo chamber.

But most people who talk politics aren't really interested in changing their perspective. That's why these echo chambers exist.

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Post by lovich »

skibidithink wrote: post #246
thunky wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

The solution if you really want to hear from the other side is to visit their echo chamber. But most people who talk politics aren't really interested in changing their perspective. That's why these echo chambers exist.

Patriots.win if you want to see what they really think

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Post by Jensson »

ryandrake wrote: post #229
progbits wrote: post #203

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Cue the usual dang copypasta how there is no evidence of flag brigading, and how they "moderate less", and so on.

To be fair, dang's position has consistently been (and he posted as such yesterday[1]) that the flag brigading comes from two distinct groups: 1. Users who don't want to see "politics" and 2. Users who are partisan and want to hide politics they don't like. My view is that these are essentially the same group. "Not wanting to see politics" is itself just a partisan view in favor of whatever the Status Quo currently i…

> My view is that these are essentially the same group. "Not wanting to see politics" is itself just a partisan view in favor of whatever the Status Quo currently is. So if you're going through and flagging articles describing wrongdoing or calling for change, because they are "political," then you're just operating in the service of whoever is currently in power.

But some people do that regardless who is currently in power, what do you call that? I'd call that "not wanting to see politics" and not being partisan.

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Post by Jensson »

progbits wrote: post #238
ryandrake wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, dang's position has consistently been (and he posted as such yesterday[1]) that the flag brigading comes from two distinct groups: 1. Users who don't want to see "politics" and 2. Users who are partisan and want to hide politics they don't like. My view is that these are essentially the same group. "Not wanting to see politics" is itself just a partisan view in favor of whatever the Status Quo currently i…

Agreed. Given the consistency and speed of flags though, I don't think #2 is just "organic" flagging.

> Given the consistency and speed of flags though, I don't think #2 is just "organic" flagging.

Thousands of people view these very quickly once they hit the frontpage, its enough 0.1% of those are willing to flag to see consistent near instant flagging.

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