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Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by WalterBright »

Gigachad wrote: post #240
WalterBright wrote: post #200

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If somebody tagged your car, would you be upset about it?

I think it’s fair to say the blank wall of a store is different to someone’s personal car. I am not mad about people tagging commercial walls, and I would be if someone tagged my car. Thankfully no one ever does that because they share a common agreement on this.

> I think it’s fair to say the blank wall of a store is different to someone’s personal car.

I don't. Especially if it's my store. I've never heard a businessman not be angry if his place of business was vandalized.

I bet you'd be angry if your house or your fence was tagged.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by nektro »

WalterBright wrote: post #200
nektro wrote: post #191

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you should not get fined and it should not be a crime to graffiti

If somebody tagged your car, would you be upset about it?

just over a month ago I had my car broken into and nearly everything in the backseat was stolen. I was for sure upset but I never called the cops over it.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by Gigachad »

WalterBright wrote: post #241
Gigachad wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s fair to say the blank wall of a store is different to someone’s personal car. I am not mad about people tagging commercial walls, and I would be if someone tagged my car. Thankfully no one ever does that because they share a common agreement on this.

> I think it’s fair to say the blank wall of a store is different to someone’s personal car. I don't. Especially if it's my store. I've never heard a businessman not be angry if his place of business was vandalized. I bet you'd be angry if your house or your fence was tagged.

Again it depends what it is. If someone tagged my bin out the front I wouldn’t care in the slightest. If they tagged a brick wall siding an alley or train line I wouldn’t care. If they jumped the fence, walked through the yard and tagged my window I would care.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by WalterBright »

Gigachad wrote: post #243
WalterBright wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it’s fair to say the blank wall of a store is different to someone’s personal car. I don't. Especially if it's my store. I've never heard a businessman not be angry if his place of business was vandalized. I bet you'd be angry if your house or your fence was tagged.

Again it depends what it is. If someone tagged my bin out the front I wouldn’t care in the slightest. If they tagged a brick wall siding an alley or train line I wouldn’t care. If they jumped the fence, walked through the yard and tagged my window I would care.

So you do care about it. And that's perfectly natural.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by ZpJuUuNaQ5 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #238
ZpJuUuNaQ5 wrote: post #229

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>I think that's very exciting for you Random online interactions rarely change anyone's opinions, and you don't have to accept my worldview, and neither I need to accept yours. I am just somewhat saddened that there are people who would defend defacing the city like that, but at the same time, I understand that we are byproducts of our environment. I think I should consider myself lucky that I happen to live in a pla…

Our environment controls us, and we are also allowed to control our environment. Graffiti is like protesting. The government likes to contain it and deny it and suppress it. Your city probably has a free speech zone where protesting is allowed, which is far out of the way so those protests won't have an audience, but that is not where protests occur when they occur.

>Your city probably has a free speech zone where protesting is allowed, which is far out of the way so those protests won't have an audience, but that is not where protests occur when they occur.

What a weird thing to say. I don't know whether you live in some totalitarian regime or assume that you do, but I don't. However, I can see it as means of protesting, an we can find examples of it in history and current day, but most graffiti out there is not that at all.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by baud147258 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #239
baud147258 wrote: post #227

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because you find it ugly? Because the city/HOA is asking? Because it's a political message you don't agree with (or don't want your house to get burned for it)?

So I have problems with the government but I blame graffitiers?

Because if graffitiers didn't degrade your property, you wouldn't have to clean after them?

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by ninalanyon »

WalterBright wrote: post #206
komali2 wrote: post #205

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> how you determine the value of your labor. Me too, but it's impossible to do so in any meaningfully accurate, objective, measurable way.

What works is when you negotiate with your employer and both come to an agreement on what labor you will provide and what you'll get paid for it. Nobody has ever found a better system.

> Nobody has ever found a better system.

Unions negotiating on behalf of the mass of workers works better.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by WalterBright »

ninalanyon wrote: post #247
WalterBright wrote: post #206

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What works is when you negotiate with your employer and both come to an agreement on what labor you will provide and what you'll get paid for it. Nobody has ever found a better system.

> Nobody has ever found a better system. Unions negotiating on behalf of the mass of workers works better.

That's very debatable.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by socalgal2 »

nemomarx wrote: post #88
socalgal2 wrote: post #72

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Tell me your address so I can come tag your car or your windows or your laptop Graffiti is property destruction, pure and simple. I'm happy to come destroy your property. Complain and you're a hypocrite

Why windows and not their homes walls? People rarely tag windows in my experience, or cars.

You don't get to choose what others value. I value my walls being clean. You value your windows and car. If it's not ok for your car and windows to be tagged then it's not okay for others to tag my walls.

Re: San Francisco Graffiti

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Post by readthenotes1 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #210
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #80

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Nonsense. The owner almost certainly doesn't want someone's "art" to adorn his wall, and will then have to pay to restore the wall to its desired condition. That is material harm done to the building owner.

Yes, and if I don't like that someone left a fridge outside on the kerb for $20, I have to pay someone to remove the fridge. That doesn't mean my rights were infringed upon.

The kerb is your town's property, no? Why are you paying?
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