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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by stego-tech »

aobdev wrote: post #156
stego-tech wrote: post #68

Gotta love corporate skub fights. Honestly neither side is coming out looking good here. If you’re not doing business with someone anymore, just drop their products. You don’t owe folks an explanation other than “unfortunately we do not carry that product anymore.”

It’s not just carrying their products. They are the exclusive producer of Teensy boards and are distributing them to many resellers but not to Adafruit.

Okay? That’s entirely their choice though. A supplier can absolutely cut off a reseller for whatever reason they want to, and no explanation is needed from either party. All I’m seeing from both sides is some attempt to “get ahead of” the other’s discourse, which is just resulting in a Streisand effect that makes both look bad to different degrees.

The only winning move is to just shut the f*k up and move on.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by fennecfoxy »

YackerLose wrote: post #99
Y_Y wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you also been embargoed from buying shift keys?

Typing in all lowercase makes you look more vulnerable, it's a pretty common rhetorical tactic in PR.

Agree, it makes it seem like the individual is "one of us" and that what they're saying is a little more raw/genuine.

"They're being mean to me." vs "theyre being mean to me".

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by alangibson »

squigz wrote: post #158
alangibson wrote: post #123

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What's wrong with that? She's working... at a computer... while holding her baby in a carrier?

FFS, everyone has gotten so self serious.

Familiarize yourself with the 'peak male performance' meme and you'll understand my meaning.

Let me make it easy for you: She's killing it in what would appear to be a less than ideal circumstance. She's swatting down people messing with her business while raising a child.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by swed420 »

15155 wrote: post #194
MaKey wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overall I think Code of Conducts are a net negative. Alleged violations of them seem to be used to lend credibility to actions that otherwise would be hard(er) to justify.

They're a weapon of "social justice" - 90% of CoC rules are common-sense stuff that doesn't have to be said, combined with one or two "progressive" ideas shoehorned in.

And "social justice" is often a weapon of capital interests in disguise.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Tbh I think both of y'all are a boon to people mucking about with hardware and that petty arguments, MBA parasite stuff, etc is all counterproductive but fight all you like.

I stopped buying stuff from SF/AF ages ago as I find it all overpriced for the most part (for my use cases). But then again I've not been doing too many hardware projects recently anyway.

Odd situation tho, both have been bastions of this stuff since forever.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by fortran77 »

15155 wrote: post #194
MaKey wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overall I think Code of Conducts are a net negative. Alleged violations of them seem to be used to lend credibility to actions that otherwise would be hard(er) to justify.

They're a weapon of "social justice" - 90% of CoC rules are common-sense stuff that doesn't have to be said, combined with one or two "progressive" ideas shoehorned in.

I was once told I couldn’t present a calorie counting/diet app at an Elm conference because it violated their CoC about discrimination based on “body size”.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by wrigby »

Dangeranger wrote: post #106
827a wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it means anything, the first thought I had reading this post was "I wonder how SparkFun is exaggerating or misrepresenting this situation, because I can't believe Adafruit of all organizations is in the wrong here."

See additional context for the accusation(s) here[0]. [0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...

The fact that the Adafruit team continued that thread unabashedly after Paul Stoffregen's first reply is an awful look in my opinion. Doesn't seem like anyone here is behaving like adults.

Edit: I should clarify - Paul seems very much like a mature adult in all of this.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by ptorrone »

hamburglar wrote: post #235
nikdoof wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, if I received an email like this from the MD of a customer, I'd probably want to wash my hands of them as well https://gist.github.com/NPoole/df0ec196ac1db7e6eecfd2496b9b4...

Ah, that is pretty illuminating. Insert “adafruit employee / husband of CEO overreacts to internet squabbles and gets a little shrieky because he’s sleep deprived” in there somewhere. This reminds me of the olden days of small messageboard drama. It’s a shame to see it affect a business relationship between two good companies. Maybe they’ll make up after it all cools off.

sparkfun will continue to use limor’s open source code, libraries, and designs. that is how open source works, and we are fine with that, and that is awesome!

what is not speculation is - paul (teensy creator) told us directly that sparkfun’s decision to block us from purchasing teensy was final. that was not a heat of the moment thing, and it was not handled through normal purchasing channels. i do not even purchase. our purchasing team does. the same is true of the royalty payments sparkfun has made to adafruit for over a decade under standing agreements. there is essentially no day to day interaction. i asked if they are going to keep paying those, no reply yet.

the termination letter was addressed broadly to “adafruit leadership,” not to any specific operational contact. that alone tells you this was not a routine business dispute.

no current sparkfun employee did anything wrong here. one former employee did, and nate’s behavior toward limor has been an issue for years. i am done with that and him, so that part will sort itself out now.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by swed420 »

allreduce wrote: post #60
swed420 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't be the first time CoC was used as a lame attempt to harm open source. Thanks for speaking up.

I find it weird to jump to this from the scarce information we have. "Someone did a CoC violation" is just a way for an org to say "someone was an asshole to such an extent it was driving other people away or getting us into legal trouble", with the manner of assholery defined in the CoC. 9/10 times it is nothing sinister. Of course right now we just don't know what happened.

> I find it weird to jump to this from the scarce information we have.

If you look at how I worded my comment, you'll see I didn't jump to any conclusion. Only you have, apparently.

(edit: Also unsurprising to see your account is two days old)

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