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Post by tehlike »

testacc74 wrote: post #218
volkk wrote: post #53

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At what point do we ever ask ourselves -- "what kind of culture do we want to create for the future of our country?" I don't think a pro soccer player is comparable to an onlyfans contributor. I would much prefer my future kids to be inspired by Cristiano Ronaldo than someone baring themselves on camera.

I see no difference in Cristiano Ronaldo and a porn star and an influencer and whatever you name it. They are all idols that sell stories for people to project their own thoughts and desires onto and get emotional. I would be more worry about my kid believing in celebrities, regardless of who they are. And the American mainstream culture is filthy anyway. As the old French joke once said the difference of yogurt and…

You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it.

I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

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Post by mikkupikku »

areoform wrote: post #9

Such articles are interesting because they're tacit disapproval, but I would argue that this use of the O-1 is the most American way to use it. There's a reason why Hollywood became the Earth's center of cultural gravity post-WW2, https://goldenglobes.com/articles/exiles-and-emigres-hollywo... You may argue that these people aren't of such import, but I would beg to differ. This is the future of culture. These people…

All of the exotic acting talent in the world won't save an industry that's forgotten the very basics of how to make a good movie.

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Post by pcthrowaway »

TZubiri wrote: post #224
cwillu wrote: post #26

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Filming porn isn't prostitution nor a sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense. Hope this helps.

I think it's naïve to think that these girls are only very strictly selling feet images and are not in the business of having sex for money as well. Especially when you consider the top-heavy success distribution. Sure there's influencers that have 100M views, but theres thousands of influencers with 300 views, are they going to be just happy with selling pictures for 10 bucks? Or will they follow the whales until th…

Apparently porn is sex for money, but legally it's not prostitution. So in that case, these OF influencers can just bill their private services as coaching lessons for aspiring actors.

No one said law was consistent or made sense.

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Post by mikkupikku »

ericmcer wrote: post #55
areoform wrote: post #9

Such articles are interesting because they're tacit disapproval, but I would argue that this use of the O-1 is the most American way to use it. There's a reason why Hollywood became the Earth's center of cultural gravity post-WW2, https://goldenglobes.com/articles/exiles-and-emigres-hollywo... You may argue that these people aren't of such import, but I would beg to differ. This is the future of culture. These people…

Influencers as the future of culture is not great. Hollywood had a ton of issues but it at least had some... class? If you watch an interview with Mr. Beast or other famous influencers they are concerningly ignorant, have little self-awareness and a child-like approach to reality. It makes total sense given these are teenagers who were lauded with fame for entertaining other teenagers on social media. I watched the M…

Hollywood actors being vapid idiots is a trope, or rather reality, as old as Hollywood. Every time they go on Letterman they have to carefully follow the script written for them to avoid embarrassing themselves and the industry. And they often fail at that.

BTW, actors are very often prostitutes. Have been since ancient times and the association has stuck. Mediterranean yachts are packed full of C-lister actresses/hookers. Not to mention most of them get jobs by sleeping with producers, which is just an indirect form of prostitution. I don't know about you, but classy is the last way I'd describe Jennifer Lawrence sucking Weinstein's dick.

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Post by [deleted] »

amelius wrote: post #236
bluescrn wrote: post #197

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Extracting money from horny young men with an illusion of intimacy/friendship just doesn't seem ethical. Or good for society as a whole. Especially when you've got streamers using sites like Twitch, aimed at younger gamers, promoting their OnlyFans porn. The regular porn industry is bad enough ( https://traffickinghub.com/ ), but at least the content is non-interactive, there's no pretence of friendship/connection.

Most users understand that there is no real friendship. Just like people understand that the violence in movies is fake. What makes an onlyfans contributor worse than an actor in a violent movie?

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Post by array_key_first »

tehlike wrote: post #241
testacc74 wrote: post #218

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I see no difference in Cristiano Ronaldo and a porn star and an influencer and whatever you name it. They are all idols that sell stories for people to project their own thoughts and desires onto and get emotional. I would be more worry about my kid believing in celebrities, regardless of who they are. And the American mainstream culture is filthy anyway. As the old French joke once said the difference of yogurt and…

You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it. I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons.

In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL.

And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, they're purely for entertainment. A cashier at McDonalds is providing more absolute value to the world than even the most esteemed athlete.

That's not to say that athletes are bad, entertainment and games are important. But you can't just say one form of mindless entertainment is more valuable than another form.

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Post by [deleted] »

pb7 wrote: post #163
aiauthoritydev wrote: post #127

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I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original int…

Why does someone doing OF need to be in the country? You can upload pictures from anywhere.

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Post by testacc74 »

tehlike wrote: post #241
testacc74 wrote: post #218

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I see no difference in Cristiano Ronaldo and a porn star and an influencer and whatever you name it. They are all idols that sell stories for people to project their own thoughts and desires onto and get emotional. I would be more worry about my kid believing in celebrities, regardless of who they are. And the American mainstream culture is filthy anyway. As the old French joke once said the difference of yogurt and…

You would not have a lot of trouble with your kid trying to be best in basketball, or football, and make a name for it. I don't think the same would apply to OF or porn. Totally different things.

You do aware of being best in sport and what I just said are hella two different things right? I wish my kids aware that *hell is other people*. Otherwise being a porn star or being a sport star makes not so much difference. Both can give you mental struggles and physical injuries. I think the another comment articulate it well too.

Edit: And sure It's concerning that the society being shallow but OF and porn are just consequences not the cause. Without them we would have something else to turn important human experience(ie sex) into a commercial show and twisted it. Turn humans into tradable goods. Body commodification is just moral decay and the end of civilization! I think we already have such a thing called ... sports? Edit: professional sports

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