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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lysace »

conradfr wrote: post #194
lysace wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feb 2014: Satya Nadella becomes CEO. July 2014: Microsoft lays off 14k people, a large portion of which are SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test)/QA/test people. The idea was that regular developers themselves would be writing and owning tests rather than relying on separate testers. I'm sure there were multiple instances of insane empire building and lots of unproductivity, but it's also hard to not think thi…

Does Satya Nadella even use a windows laptop?

Yes, probably.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by franktankbank »

hackyhacky wrote: post #66
pbohun wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds weird to say, but Steve Ballmer was probably the best CEO of Microsoft.

Or: Steve Ballmer oversaw the decline of Mircosoft's flagship product, but left before he could be blamed for it. A lot of Windows' current problems can be traced back to the Ballmer era, including the framework schizophrenia, as Microsoft shifted between Win32, UWP, WPF, and god knows what else. This has lead to the current chaotic and disjointed UI experience, and served to confuse and drive away developers. Repeat…

Experimentation is a cost center?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by gruez »

greenavocado wrote: post #50
mapontosevenths wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the…

- TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot…

This list really needs proofreading.

>- BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account

Unless something changed with 11, this is opt in, with a specific "save to your microsoft account option". I really don't see the issue here.

>- Hardware attestation

This is either a rehash of the "TPM 2.0 requirement" point above, or just outright false.

>- Telemetry/Data Collection

>- Extensive diagnostic data collection

This are the same thing restated

>- Forced automatic updates

>- Limited update deferral for Home users

Again, these are just the same thing.

>- Feature updates bundled with security updates

That's basically... every commercial OS out there? Good luck getting security updates on android (if your OEM even provides it) if you're not on the latest version. Some linux distros even have it as a selling point, aka. rolling release.

>- Device Management (Enterprise)

>- Intune/MDM integration

These are the same thing AND you have to jump through hoops to enable it. I really don't see the issue here.

>- Copilot integration

>- Windows Autopilot

You can just... not use it?

>- Azure AD requirements

???

Is this just restating the microsoft account requirement?

>Monetization

This is a restatement for half the other points.

>- Start menu ads/recommendations Update Control

>- Ads in Start menu

>- Suggested apps

>- Pre-installed third-party apps (Candy Crush, etc.)

All stating the same thing.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

I don't see the same things as the commenters or the article.

I love Windows 11, and have zero complaints.

Win+R is instant.

Notepad is the best version so far, I use it as a todo list and it saves and loads in the same place on my third screen every reboot - fantastic.

I have no use for the AI being shoehorned into everything, but I use it every day via chatgpt in the browser, and genie and cp in vsc.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by vachina »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #244

I don't see the same things as the commenters or the article. I love Windows 11, and have zero complaints. Win+R is instant. Notepad is the best version so far, I use it as a todo list and it saves and loads in the same place on my third screen every reboot - fantastic. I have no use for the AI being shoehorned into everything, but I use it every day via chatgpt in the browser, and genie and cp in vsc.

Windows is slower objectively if you use the same hardware.

Now you might say modern software needs modern hardware, but Windows as it is is stagnant in terms of functionality and features, so what justifies the requirement of newer hardware?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by t0bia_s »

greenavocado wrote: post #50
mapontosevenths wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the…

- TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot…

Most of it are turned off or possible to turn off in LTSC IoT version, which is only Win version reasonable to use without beenig annoyed when using it.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by antisthenes »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

> I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s.

Surely there's a typo there, and you meant late 2000s, e.g. 2009?

Late 2010s Windows was W10 with constant system-breaking bugs, mobile-first interface, more and more data mining and adware my MS, etc.

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