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The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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> CTO & Co-Founder, GovHawk. Checks out. More legislation boosts your business.

Both making and removing regulation boosts my business, as my clients care about changes. That said, I assure you that one regulation getting made out of millions has no effect on my bottom line. The drone thing is a personal opinion. If the US ends up in a war (whether it’s one I agree with or not, likely not), I don’t want millions of drones to be remote controllable by the folks we’re fighting.

This is silly. You are worried that china will remotely control my DJI mini during a war?

How will it even get out of my closet to create such havoc for 26 minutes before it drops out of the sky begging me for a new battery?

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It's this now, but 3D printers, Meshtastic, and the ESP32 all seem likely to catch the ire of the administration if some deal is not done in the coming years. I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen, and until it does there will be a giant hole in the middle of the entire maker universe, which increasingly acts as the prototyping…

SiLabs RS9116, Nordic nRF7002, TI CC3235, Dialog DA16200, ...

They exist, they just don't ship to individual nobodies without NDAs and months of talks and supply commitments, therefore we might as well consider them nonexistent. And that's sinking the whole world into oblivion, and no one(sane) is doing anything about it.

Chinese equivalents of Western products ship same day to mail drops at two digits below USD denominated global market manufacturing costs. That's their secret sauce. Or tried and true East Asian miracles strategy, of exploiting material independence to vacuum in foreign currency that are short of cost but are just trustless bundles of paper anyway. Economic competition is not possible when that's possible for them and nobody else - NOBODY else, not like "only for Asian backwater whatever failed state", but China, for now, specifically.

I'm actually from Japan and, with goggles of a maker on, DJI behavior feels reminiscent of Sony until it sank. The tech is top notch, and prices make progressively less sense towards higher ends. That kills competitions by denying sales of high end products(IMO. I'm not a sane person).

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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I agree on the need to create an ESP32 equivalent. But the ESP32 doesn't really correlate to DJI here. DJI collects a massive amount of telemetry data and terrain data, forces the average user to upload this data, and isn't exactly forthcoming about what is collected or how it is used. An ESP32 can, for the most part, be fully audited in what it is sending. Yes, the wireless drivers are binary blobs, but the develope…

> DJI collects a massive amount of telemetry data and terrain data At first I found it hard to believe that this is data they wouldn't get more reliably, more extensively from a satellite. But then I imagine, if you were a bad actor, you wouldn't want all the video, all the exact terrain data, etc, but maybe only that near certain points of interest like energy infrastructure, transportation, etc. So this, paired wit…

You are right. Also, it's not just data from the US, it's data from around the world. It also comes in real-time or near real-time, so you gain insight into where drones are actively flying. If you've managed to fingerprint interesting users in some way, you now have stats on where they are, what they are deeming interesting to look at, and so on. You're also getting much better imagery and views of things you are not going to get from a satellite.

This is not about recreating google maps data. The US banning DJI drones is really a necessity at this point. It's not a complete solution to the problems at hand, but there is no point in supporting China in this way.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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> I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen - Texas Instruments SimpleLink CC32xx (CC3220 / CC3235) - TI CC3235MODA module - Renesas DA16200 - Microchip PIC32MZ-W1 - Microchip WFI32 module family - Silicon Labs SiWx917 / SiWG917 - Silicon Labs SiWx917Y module - Nordic Semiconductor nRF7001/7002 WiFi 6 IC - Use with nRF52, nRF53 or n…

What's missing from these parts which makes people reach for ESP32 by default instead? (I don't have any experience with ESP32.) The TI parts seem a bit expensive in small quantities, but the Microchip and SiliLabs parts are like $6-7 in single units from Digi-Key. Is it just that the dev kits are in the >$50 price range which puts people off compared to ESP32?

> The TI parts seem a bit expensive in small quantities, but the Microchip and SiliLabs parts are like $6-7 in single units from Digi-Key. Is it just that the dev kits are in the >$50 price range which puts people off compared to ESP32?

It helps to separate hobbyist use from professional product development.

The hobby market is driven by quick, cheap, and easy: low up-front cost, abundant tutorials, and inexpensive dev boards. In that context, ESP32 shines, and expensive dev kits can be a real psychological barrier.

For commercial, industrial, or professional products, however, small-quantity pricing is often irrelevant. Sample or single-unit prices rarely reflect real production costs. Without getting into specifics, it’s common for the ratio between sample pricing and volume pricing to be 10× or more.

A part that costs $20 in onesies can easily be a $2 part at scale. This doesn’t apply universally, but it does mean that judging a device’s suitability for mass production based on Digi-Key single-unit pricing is usually a mistake.

There are also system-level considerations beyond the MCU’s line item price. For example, the RP2040 could be very inexpensive (around $0.50 in modest volumes when we used it), but that ignores the required external flash, which adds cost, board space, and supply-chain complexity. More importantly for many products, it offers no meaningful code security (the external flash can simply be read out—which can be a non-starter in commercial designs).

Guaranteed long-term availability can be crucially important as well; with design support requirements in commercial/industrial settings often extending past ten year timelines.

Tooling and ecosystem maturity also matter. At the time, the RP2040 toolchain was notably hostile to Windows, and Raspberry Pi support reflected that attitude. In reality, most product development (EE, MCAD, manufacturing, test, PLM/ERP) is Windows-centric. Asking an organization to bolt a Linux-only toolchain onto an otherwise Windows-based workflow just to save a dollar on an MCU is rarely a winning argument.

So while cost absolutely matters, it’s often not the dominant factor in professional design. Security, tooling, vendor support, long-term availability, and integration into existing workflows frequently outweigh a few dollars of MCU price, particularly once production pricing enters the picture.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Seeing how drone warfare has become the new hot front in 21st century conflicts like Ukraine, it's hard not to speculate on the implications of this as political unrest continues to rise in the U.S. It's no secret that the current U.S. regime views a sizeable portion of its own civilian citizens as enemy combatants. They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at t…

Interesting that so many here are speculating that this ban is to stop "freedom fighters" in the US and not the obvious case that the US has wanted to reduce dependence on China in areas of critical technology. Drones are not going away in the US, they will just not be made by their primary political adversary. Let's not be hyperbolic, the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War. People need to stop g…

"the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War."

  “It wasn’t Hitler or Himmler who abducted me, beat me, and shot my family. It was the shoemaker, the milkman, the neighbor, who were given a uniform....”
  —Karl Stojka, Auschwitz survivor
(59 new detention facilities since inaugeration, 77 more reopened, $45 billion planned for 41,000+ beds targeting 100,000+ capacity, dozens of deaths reported.)

The language of the goverment has shifted to "war" such as:

  • DHS New Year's Eve launch of the $100M "wartime recruitment" campaign.
  • Ads portray joining as a "sacred duty" to "defend the homeland" from "foreign invaders," using war-like imagery such as Uncle Sam posters and action movie-style videos.
A few other factors from a choice of dozens:

  • The several lies from the administration about the shooting of Renee Good, such as that the shooter was run over and is recovering in the hospital, besides the actual shooting itself.
  • Minneapolis has thousands of volunteers for rapid response teams to show up wherever ICE shows us, militarized on both sides.
  • The biggest No Kings protests ranged from 5-7million.
  • Congress' check on presidential powers is not happening
  • Abducting, beating and dropping off those abducted far from where they were abducted.
Recent lawsuits:

  • January 12, 2026, Mark Kelley vs. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, the Department of Defense, and the Navy.
  • Minnesota AG Ellison et al. v. DHS/ICE (Jan 12, 2026): State, Minneapolis, and St. Paul sue over "Operation Metro Surge," alleging unconstitutional raids, excessive force, and viewpoint discrimination; seeks restraining order.
  • Illinois AG Raoul & Chicago v. DHS/ICE/CBP (Jan 12, 2026): Challenges violent tactics like tear gas use, warrantless detentions, and targeting sensitive locations; seeks prohibitions on enforcement practices
I wouldn't say the US is "nowhere close", recognizing that "getting close" is not the same as "happening", and recognizing that "revolution" and "civil war" are not the only possible terms, and that it is a matter of degree.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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> I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen - Texas Instruments SimpleLink CC32xx (CC3220 / CC3235) - TI CC3235MODA module - Renesas DA16200 - Microchip PIC32MZ-W1 - Microchip WFI32 module family - Silicon Labs SiWx917 / SiWG917 - Silicon Labs SiWx917Y module - Nordic Semiconductor nRF7001/7002 WiFi 6 IC - Use with nRF52, nRF53 or n…

> These solutions are priced well for commercial and industrial solutions at scale. Translation: they're expensive, and getting them working involves jumping through hoops more complex than simply getting boards off Amazon and launching VS Code. They aren't equivalent, and the sneering isn't helping. It is failing to understand this that opens the door to DJI and Bambu, who unsurprisingly prioritize user experience a…

> Translation: they're expensive, and getting them working involves jumping through hoops more complex than simply getting boards off Amazon and launching VS Code. They aren't equivalent, and the sneering isn't helping.

Who's sneering?

Complexity is a relative assessment. Bringing up 8, 16 and 32 bit MCUs/SoC's has never in history been easier. Decades ago we used to have to bring up our boards from nothing, sometimes even having to write our own RTOS, boot code, firmware update code, etc. Today? A high school kid could do it with most chips. Go check out the STM32 Cube ecosystem for a glimpse.

I do understand that this is still likely daunting for hobbyists. I am not talking about arduino-level hobby users. That is not my world at all. However, understand that the commercial/industrial market is orders of magnitude larger than the hobby markets, and the rules and requirements are different.

> It is failing to understand this that opens the door to DJI and Bambu, who unsurprisingly prioritize user experience and predictability, which is a major factor in why in open competition they keep wiping the floor with everyone.

Are you responding to someone else's comment? This has nothing to do with what I was addressing. I am talking about chips, and, in particular, SoC (System on Chip) solutions for WiFi applications. These are components used by engineers to design products. You are talking about finished products. You might as well add blender and microwave oven manufacturers to that list.

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The money that was paid to build those weapons went into the American economy, to all the companies that built them, to the employees that work for those companies, etc. Nobody is saying they were "free", but the military industrial complex has always been a jobs program. It employs plenty of Americans, it pays the bills when weapons get made. So we had a bunch of old stock that needed to be replaced, and giving them…

A) He’s absolutely saying they were free. B) Ironic that you say some people have no ability to see the wider perspective while falling for the broken window fallacy of economics.

A) I absolutely was not. I was refuting that we sent $175B to Ukraine. We sent weapons, and spent money in the USA. Basic reading comprehension would be a useful skill for you to have in this thread... see I literally declared the US spent money in both posts. I was just saying where the money was spent.

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I don’t know if we should be so sure that he will be gone in three years. There is no incentive for him to relinquish control peacefully. We’ll have to give him a plea bargain, or a pardon of sorts, to incentivise him stepping down. Without one his back will be against a wall (or iron bars in this case), and he will gladly escalate to stay in power to avoid incarceration.

I'm far more concerned with the younger, smarter and just as evil minnions who are currently learning from the master how naked & deep the corruption can go without consequence. President Vance and VP Rubio may be less shocking but could be even worse for everyone.

America likes its celebrities. Think more President Joe Rogan or Tucker Carlson.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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News next week : "Donald Trump Jr opens US Drone company with exclusive import license from China." > DJI responded publicly that month that they had nothing to hide, and subsequently spent a year trying to convince the U.S. government to begin the audit. But no federal agency even began There's your answer. There was never any concern over Americans data being sent to China. Also they didn't "Follow through", they s…

Maybe the US government can make a requirement that DJI divest and spin of a US controlled subsidiary. That seems to have worked great with ByteDance and TikTok.

Re: The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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> I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen - Texas Instruments SimpleLink CC32xx (CC3220 / CC3235) - TI CC3235MODA module - Renesas DA16200 - Microchip PIC32MZ-W1 - Microchip WFI32 module family - Silicon Labs SiWx917 / SiWG917 - Silicon Labs SiWx917Y module - Nordic Semiconductor nRF7001/7002 WiFi 6 IC - Use with nRF52, nRF53 or n…

What's missing from these parts which makes people reach for ESP32 by default instead? (I don't have any experience with ESP32.) The TI parts seem a bit expensive in small quantities, but the Microchip and SiliLabs parts are like $6-7 in single units from Digi-Key. Is it just that the dev kits are in the >$50 price range which puts people off compared to ESP32?

> What's missing from these parts which makes people reach for ESP32 by default instead?

I didn’t directly answer that question before.

Strictly speaking, nothing essential is missing from many of these other parts. In fact, in professional contexts they often have better documentation, support, longevity guarantees, or security features than ESP32.

One of the biggest differentiators is simply pricing strategy. Espressif has used aggressively low pricing (what many would reasonably call predatory pricing) to capture mindshare and market share. That playbook is hardly new; it’s been used successfully across industries for decades. Ultra-cheap silicon, combined with inexpensive dev boards, dramatically lowers the barrier to entry and makes ESP32 the default choice, especially for hobbyists and startups.

Price pressure also creates a feedback loop: more users means more tutorials, libraries, examples, and community support, which in turn makes the platform feel easier and safer to choose, even when alternatives might be technically superior.

For teams operating in cost-driven markets, this can become unavoidable. If your product lives or dies on BOM cost, reaching for the cheapest viable part may not be optional. I spent several years in that environment myself, and while it’s a valid constraint, it tends to push decisions toward short-term cost optimization rather than long-term engineering value.

So the answer isn’t that these parts lack features, it’s that ESP32 combines good-enough capabilities with exceptionally aggressive pricing and a massive ecosystem, which together make it the default choice in many contexts.

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