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ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by nyrikki »

Aurornis wrote: post #227
nyrikki wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google "doesn't sell your data" but RTB leaks that info, and the reason no one is called out for "buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words" is because it is trivial to make legal. It is well documented in many many places, people just don't care. Google can claim that it doesn’t sell your data, but if you think that the data about your searches isn't being sold, here is just a sma…

> and the reason no one is called out for "buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words" is because it is trivial to make legal. Citation needed for a claim of this magnitude. > It is well documented in many many places, people just don't care. Yes, please share documentation of companies buying search data and rejecting candidates for it. Like most conspiracy theories, there are a lo…

Like most cults, you ignore direct links with cites from multiple governments agencies, but here is another.

https://www.upturn.org/work/comments-to-the-cfpb-on-data-bro...

> Most employers we examined used an ATS capable of integrating with a range of background screening vendors, including those providing social media screens, criminal background checks, credit checks, drug and health screenings, and I-9 and E-Verify.29 As applicants, however, we had no way of knowing which, if any, background check systems were used to evaluate our applications. Employers provided no meaningful feedback or explanation when an offer of work was not extended. Thus, a job candidate subjected to a background check may have no opportunity to contest the data or conclusions derived therefrom.30

If you are going to ignore a decade of research etc... I can't prove it to you.

> The agency found that data brokers routinely sidestep the FCRA by claiming they aren't subject to its requirements – even while selling the very types of sensitive personal and financial information Congress intended the law to protect.

https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/newsroom/cfpb-propo...

> Data brokers obtain information from a variety of sources, including retailers, websites and apps, newspaper and magazine publishers, and financial service providers, as well as cookies and similar technologies that gather information about consumers’ online activities. Other information is publicly available, such as criminal and civil record information maintained by federal, state, and local courts and governments, and information available on the internet, including information posted by consumers on social media.

> Data brokers analyze and package consumers’ information into reports used by creditors, insurers, landlords, employers, and others to make decisions about consumers

https://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/documents/cfpb_fcra-nprm...

And that CFPB proposal was withdrawn:

https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2025/05/...

Note screen shots of paywalled white papers from large HR orgs:

https://directorylogos.mediabrains.com/clientimages/f82ca2e3...

Image from here:

https://vendordirectory.shrm.org/company/839063/whitepapers/...

But I am betting you come back with another ad hominem, so I will stay in the real world while you ignore it, enjoy having the last word.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by carlosjobim »

trollbridge wrote: post #18
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on. And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing , when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.

What do you consider the purpose of life to be? To me being in good health is immensely more important than health insurance, a government health plan, or a job.

I know that neither health insurers nor any government agency nor anybody else have even 0,0000000000000001% as much interest in my health, well being and survival as I do.

When it is the matter of my health and my life, I care as much about what an insurer or employer thinks as I would care about what the Ayatollah of Iran thinks. Or what you think. Ie: Those opinions are without any value at all.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by cindyllm »

Aurornis wrote: post #229
simianwords wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do corporations use my google searches as data to hire me?

No they do not. Anyone who has worked in hiring for any big company knows how much goes into ensuring hiring processes don't accidentally touch anything that could be construed as illegal discrimination. Employees are trained, policies and procedures are documented, and anyone who even accidentally says or does anything that comes too close to possibly running afoul of hiring laws will find themselves involved with H…

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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by paulryanrogers »

carlosjobim wrote: post #242
trollbridge wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on. And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing , when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.

What do you consider the purpose of life to be? To me being in good health is immensely more important than health insurance, a government health plan, or a job. I know that neither health insurers nor any government agency nor anybody else have even 0,0000000000000001% as much interest in my health, well being and survival as I do. When it is the matter of my health and my life, I care as much about what an insurer…

Most of us cannot afford to pay the full cost of healthcare for an emergency or major intervention. Medical bankruptcy is an increasingly common phenomenon.

So if insurers can cut you off based on your ChatGPT queries or test results then you may find yourself in serious debt, homeless, without medical care, etc

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by carlosjobim »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #216
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

>my ability to understand health problems How do you know that this understanding is correct? To me, epistemologically, this is not too different from gaining your health knowledge from a homeopath or gaining your physics knowledge from a Flat Earther. You are in no position to discern the validity of your "knowledge".

> You are in no position to discern the validity of your "knowledge".

He is the only one who is in that position, because he is the only person who is inside his body. He is physically and mentally a hundred percent in the position to discern the validity of the advice.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by carlosjobim »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #244
carlosjobim wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you consider the purpose of life to be? To me being in good health is immensely more important than health insurance, a government health plan, or a job. I know that neither health insurers nor any government agency nor anybody else have even 0,0000000000000001% as much interest in my health, well being and survival as I do. When it is the matter of my health and my life, I care as much about what an insurer…

Most of us cannot afford to pay the full cost of healthcare for an emergency or major intervention. Medical bankruptcy is an increasingly common phenomenon. So if insurers can cut you off based on your ChatGPT queries or test results then you may find yourself in serious debt, homeless, without medical care, etc

Money is imaginary. Health is health. Sacrificing your health and your life in order to hedge against a completely hypothetical situation is not a dignified existence.

Bankruptcy is of course much preferable to not having your health. Even having to argue this is bizarre. We are not human batteries in the Matrix. Our purpose is not to please institutions or destroy our own lives for fear of hypothetical situations.

Don't you understand that you only have one life and one body. That's it. You have 70 or 80 years with one body and one mind. That is the only thing which matters.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by kurtoid »

visarga wrote: post #237
nusl wrote: post #8

I find it ironic that the article is warning against AI use while it uses an AI-made cover image. Surely they find the same fault with copyright issues and AI art? Right?

> This isn’t just a health assistant. This is infrastructure for a healthcare marketplace. It's an AI written article IMHO.

I interpreted that line as tongue-in-cheek, but on a second reading, I think you're right

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by basket_horse »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #218
linkregister wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I went through the Palantir hiring process, the effort on their end was almost exclusively on technical and cultural fit interviews. My references told me they had not been contacted. Calibrating your threat model against this attack is unlikely to give you any alpha in 2026. Hiring at tech companies and government is much less deliberate than your mental model supposes. The current extent of background…

>the effort on their end was almost exclusively on technical and cultural fit interviews How could you possibly know if they use other undisclosed methods as part of the recruitment? You are assuming Palatir would behave ethically. Palantir, the company that will never win awards based on ethics

You’re over thinking it. Like all top tech companies, they just want the best engineers.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by brianhur »

If it is genuinely beneficial, this will become an open source project that everyone is able to run with a local agent in their house that runs cold. I will make one if no one else will, but discovering how to make it ubiquitously helpful and not drought with legal liability is challenging. I welcome a company willing to take this early risk.

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Post by nitwit005 »

bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

If you'd been doing the rehab for 10 years, what did you need exactly? It seems like you should have had a decade to ask whatever questions you wanted.
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