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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

bsimpson wrote: post #219
nostrademons wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

It's interesting to see how much of a behemoth Discord has become. Seems like there's a Discord for everything - from open source projects to hobbies and games to individual groups of friends/family. It's occupying the segment that subreddits historically have. However, it's perhaps-intentionally search-opaque. You can't Google to find a message/link/download that's gated by Discord. And it also gives a sense of comm…

Discord is really where it is at these days. Discord servers with 50-100 people form the new social fabric of the internet where real community lies. In theory Reddit was supposed to be this but

1. Reddit communities tend to get too large

2. Subreddits overflow into each other too much through cross posting and brigading

3. Post history being public meant that you could get banned/brigaded for your comments on a totally different subreddit (i.e. bots autobanning you on one subreddit for posting on another subreddit).

The magic of discord is that everyone in the server I frequent I either know personally or they are known by someone I know personally. It creates a nice fabric of community and trust. Literally zero moderation over the past 10 years as everyone knows each other and behaves like normal adults and we also don’t get all up in arms when someone says something controversial.

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observationist wrote: post #72

Oh no, adtech is dying. I guess we'll all have to compete through quality of products and services and not gaming a rigged system designed to reward anything that maximizes the profit of the global surveillance adtech machine. This gives me warm fuzzy feelings. It's nowhere near good, but this is better than it was.

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Post by tomjuggler »

nonameiguess wrote: post #151

I'm glad as hell not to run a business and never plan to, but it's interesting to think as a consumer where I would try to get information like this. Guy's running a service that provides in-person entertainment for events and parties, seemingly things like clowns and magicians, maybe small-time bands or what-not. Seemingly you don't want to target children directly. If they ask their parents for specific entertainme…

Google Adwords just shows your ad at the top of search results. Someone searches for a clown and I'm on top - worth paying for! (when it worked)

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Post by tomjuggler »

austinpena wrote: post #218
tomjuggler wrote: post #169

Great, now my server is crashing again. I thought Cloudflare was supposed to take care of this stuff

are you caching the HTML response or just the assets?

I can't remember I think it's just the assets though - seems to be surviving so far. How do you get it to cache everything, is that a paid thing?

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Post by travisgriggs »

tomjuggler wrote: post #233
travisgriggs wrote: post #111

> I am AI assisted, very fast! This feels like one of the most surreal things I have read in a while, believing that the blog is authentically written by a real person. I can't put my finger on why. I do feel like it's maybe time to rewatch BSG.

lol I meant coding, can't stand AI slop web content myself. I wrote all the words - what's BSG?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_...

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Post by piskov »

wahern wrote: post #196
piskov wrote: post #153

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See their revenue (number of paid users is not a secret): something around $7M annually? It was half of that not so long ago (glad, that the userbase is growing). With their current pricing they are out of their league of having any full-blown index, crawlers, people, what have you. I would say year ago I was amazed how they are alive at all (unless I am missing something in their funding).

A little over 15 years ago you could index the web with a small cluster. I remember people doing doing it with Cassandra or Elasticsearch. I'm sure you'd need a much bigger cluster, but outside video and images I imagine it's still doable even for a small organization, especially if you're filtering out content farms. Plus, there are many organizations interested in having access to an index, and I'm pretty more than…

Index is one thing, great search over it is another.

A competitive, general-purpose web search engine with its own full index is _brutally_ hard and expensive.

This is the reason there are only a few world-class like russian yandex, chinese baidu (to not state the obvious names like google).

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Post by reconnecting »

tomjuggler wrote: post #236
reconnecting wrote: post #200

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Click fraud is malicious activity where someone runs bots that click on ads for specific category keywords. For example, if this is a villa rental website, someone like competitors or a large platform , might use ad agencies that perform click fraud against the villa rental website to exhaust their budget and therefore get more traffic themselves. In the case of an entertainment agency, it might be other competitors…

Shockingly, I did not consider malicious intent as a possible reason. I will look into it. Never did trust the partner networks though, it's not that anyway, just used plain old search network

I tried to visit your website to get a better idea, but found `Connection timed out Error code 522` by Cloudflare.

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Post by nephihaha »

kccqzy wrote: post #183
amelius wrote: post #159

If google is dead, I sure hope they won't sell my gmail and google drive data to the highest bidder.

Google never sells your data to anyone. Why would they sell the primary data that they themselves use to determine how to show you ads? Doing so means a deep-pocketed new advertising platform can just buy data from Google and get started with competing against Google on their primary revenue source. It’s like having a goose that lays golden eggs and selling the goose. It’s corporate suicide. I’m surprised anyone on H…

Google gets given significant tax breaks in many countries. Maybe it is selling it to agencies who could not obtain that info legally

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Post by agumonkey »

tartoran wrote: post #134
agumonkey wrote: post #56

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a cable TV where anybody can poison your brain with whatever benefit them

Any state sponsored actor can pay to play.

I'd be curious to know how much cable tv content was direct propaganda or hype

on youtube most of what i see is hyped hyperbolic content, polarized podcasts, shorts.. the way and reason why "content" is produced has changed

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