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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by nsteel »

troupo wrote: post #197
fsckboy wrote: post #173

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> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumer it's an archive to defend against Spotify going away. Remember when Netflix had everything, and then that eroded and now you can only rely on stuff that Netflix produced itself? the average consumer will flock when Spotify ultimately enshitifies

Netflix didn't lose content by choice. Actual right holders decided to pull their content and create rival services. Has nothing to do with perceived enshittification by Netflix (even though they have enshittification too). Spotify is under the same threat: they have no content that they own. Everything is licensed.

I thought they started producing their own podcasts. Can't bring in much though.

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Post by justatdotin »

IshKebab wrote: post #68
crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

I dunno if they publish like a 10 TB torrent of the most popular music I can see people making their own music services. A 10 TB hard disk is easily affordable, and that's about 3 million songs which is way more than anyone could listen to in a lifetime, even if you reduce that by 100x to account for taste. It's probably going to make the AI music generation problem worse anyway...

I would expect more data to make ai music generation better

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #21
crazygringo wrote: post #11

This is insane. I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. But this does seem like it will be a godsend for researche…

> The thing is, this doesn't even seem particularly useful for average consumers/listeners, since Spotify itself is so convenient, and trying to locate individual tracks in massive torrent files of presumably 10,000's of tracks each sounds horrible. I wouldn’t be so sure. There are already tools to automatically locate and stream pirated TV and movie content automatic and on demand. They’re so common that I had non-t…

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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by 1dry »

nimih wrote: post #213
1dry wrote: post #189

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Thank god we are taking care of the “researchers working on things like music classification and generation” ! As long as we can convince ourselves we have a sound analysis of it, no need to support and defend people making actual art right. So much already made, who needs more? This is not to defend Spotify (death to it), but to state that opening all of this data for even MORE garbage generation is a step in the wr…

What, precisely, is the point you’re trying to make here?

Expressing frustration at the pervasive tendency of technologists to look at everything, including art which is a reflection of peoples' subjective realities, with an "at-scale" lens, e.g., "let's collect ALL of it, and categorize it, and develop technologies to mash it all together and vomit out derivative averages with no compelling humanist point of view"

I hope readers will feel our frustration.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by xmcp123 »

lurk2 wrote: post #208
toomuchtodo wrote: post #143

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You go where the money is. Infra isn’t free. Churches pass the plate every Sunday. Perhaps one day we’ll exist in a more optimal socioeconomic system; until then, you do what you have to do to accomplish your goals (in this context, archivists and digital preservation).

> Infra isn’t free. There is a certain irony in people providing copyrighted works for free justifying profiting from these copyrights on the basis that providing the works to others isn’t free.

I'd have a lot more sympathy if the music industry didn't try all of the worst available options to handle piracy for years and years.

They had many opportunities to get out ahead of it, and they squandered it trying to cling to album sales where 11/13 tracks were trash. They are in a bed of their own making.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by firefax »

layman51 wrote: post #228
firefax wrote: post #195

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>I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this. What's stopping someone from sticking a microphone next to their speaker? Slow, but effective.

Audio fingerprinting?

>Audio fingerprinting?

Bought a spotify card with cash, email was registered on public wifi.

Who cares? :-)

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by barnabee »

efilife wrote: post #10
basisword wrote: post #6

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Why is this stealing? You can already listen to everything that's on Spotify with a free account. You are free to also record the audio while it's playing. I suppose grabbing the actual file should't matter? Or is this about releasing? And robbing people of plays they would otherwise get through Spotify?

> Why is this stealing?

It's not, theft involves taking something from someone, i.e. also depriving them of that thing.

This may be unauthorised copying aka piracy, but it's not theft.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by eterm »

DUDOS wrote: post #118
WD-42 wrote: post #7

Incredible. > A while ago, we discovered a way to scrape Spotify at scale. They wont and shouldn’t divulge the details, but I imagine that would be a fun read!

How they manage to transfer 300TB of data while remaining anonymous is also astonishing.

It's hard to imagine anything but physical egress for that kind of volume.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Post by justatdotin »

willio58 wrote: post #166
yegle wrote: post #34

Not that we should, but it's technically feasible to have a music streaming server with the torrent as the backend, and selectively download the part of the torrent in respond to on-demand streaming request from the client.

I recently got into the whole homelab *arr stack for things like movies and tv and while I know options exist for music I just don’t see the need yet price-wise. Spotify is still just cheap enough for me to not care enough. We’ll see how long this holds. That being said it’s no secret Spotify and other streaming services barely pay even popular artists. Artists make money from live shows and merch. The fact that thei…

for me its the arms trade.

Daniel Ek pours spotify wealth into next gen miltech.

sometimes I worry that I don't know what music means to other people but I am certain that to me it is antithetical to war culture.

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