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Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by mothballed »

refulgentis wrote: post #67
willis936 wrote: post #49

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Absolutely useless without a name and reputation on the line. It's an absurd to publish that multiple academics killed within an hour drive within one week have "nothing to suggest they're connected".

Are you from Boston / have you lived there? I do, and thank you for your concern. But this is confusing to say the least. 1. No one should be stupid enough to put their name and rep on the line, in a fluid situation, where there’s 0 idea who did the first anyways, for days now. 2. Dunno what you mean by academics, students and professors? Usually academics refers to professors / grad students / has a job at universit…

>4. If it’s obvious they’re connected, and making any claim of probability re: their connection should require putting your name and reputation on the line, what’s your name?

Steve Lookner?

  authorities believe Brown University shooter used rented vehicle that is same make and model of car connected to killing of MIT professor"
https://x.com/lookner/status/2001763177185579260

Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by mothballed »

armchairhacker wrote: post #155
mothballed wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authorities and the university have also been asking for tips but then flipping the script as soon as they get them: "Accusations, speculation and conspiracies we're seeing on social media and in some news reports are irresponsible, harmful, and in some cases dangerous."[] Also worth noting... at one point the arrested the wrong guy. They have no clue. And become hostile when people try to come up with one. While scr…

Without further context, I don’t blame them for being hostile towards “Accusations, speculation and conspiracies…on social media and in some news reports”. Remember the Boston bombing? Tips shouldn’t be public.

Well maybe they should have been a bit more open to "conspiracies" since they're now saying they think they're connected and that they found a link of the same make/model car at both. Seeing as the "homeless guy" who remembered the plate was seemingly ignored for 5 days, he should have just blasted it on X.

Fortunately at least one person on reddit posted about the car 2 days ago ( https://old.reddit.com/r/providence/comments/1pnkwoq/fbi_pos... ) posted it, since it seems to be one of the few ways to get heard.

Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by willis936 »

refulgentis wrote: post #138
willis936 wrote: post #76

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You are demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of trust. Aaron Katersky and Josh Margolin put their name on the line because without that you wouldn't know the provenance of the information and wouldn't know if you should trust it. Citing an unnamed officer making claims that they have insufficient evidence for is not good journalism, so their reputation takes a hit. The officer also deserves this reputational…

Other comments cover the “logic” being applied here. Dunno who those two names are. I’m genuinely worried about your grip on reality based on your writing, I don’t say that lightly and am very, very, serious, to the point I’d prefer to eat downvotes and offend you than hide that and possibly contribute to you worsening. I hope you’re extremely close to one of these events and are extremely distraught, even though tha…

The gaslighting is touching, but I hadn't had a mental shift between the morning and evening. I had a big response to a public official lying. The right answer (and officers that were on the record actually said this on Tuesday) that "all options are on the table". You'll see from subsequent statements today that ABC's prior publishing of the statement that "there is nothing that suggests the Brown University and MIT murders are related" was baseless and untrue.

Not only did the public official lie, but was given voice and reputational cover by ABC. This is deserving of the criticism I give it.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/brown-mass-shooting-mit-professor-...

Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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anamax wrote: post #194
IAmBroom wrote: post #169

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My understanding is that the border security between those states is rather lax.

On the off-chance that someone believes that there is border security between US states but that these states are an exception. The US doesn't have border security between states. The closest thing to an exception is the "don't bring agricultural products into California" stations. However, there's a bypass lane for folks who stayed within 10 miles of the border, and no one checks whether someone is using that lane i…

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Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by refulgentis »

willis936 wrote: post #243
refulgentis wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other comments cover the “logic” being applied here. Dunno who those two names are. I’m genuinely worried about your grip on reality based on your writing, I don’t say that lightly and am very, very, serious, to the point I’d prefer to eat downvotes and offend you than hide that and possibly contribute to you worsening. I hope you’re extremely close to one of these events and are extremely distraught, even though tha…

The gaslighting is touching, but I hadn't had a mental shift between the morning and evening. I had a big response to a public official lying. The right answer (and officers that were on the record actually said this on Tuesday) that "all options are on the table". You'll see from subsequent statements today that ABC's prior publishing of the statement that "there is nothing that suggests the Brown University and MIT…

"Gaslighting" - I came back to note you were right. Also, you weren't being gaslit, and you were incoherent. You could have replied to any one of us with anything explaining yourself and didn't. Like, the same weapon one was especially bizarre. Note that "No indication" is same as "all options are on the table", as was repeatedly noted to you.

Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by acdha »

uselesswords wrote: post #210
acdha wrote: post #163

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Reporters tend to be very careful about this in the context of things like deaths, embarrassing scandals, etc. where they might be sued. If you note, the kind of stories you’re referring to tend to be referencing what someone else said—a source in law enforcement, neighbors, friends, etc.—because that makes it clear that there are not the opinion of the news organization itself.

I agree with everything you said, but the news organization's decision to include or not include a quote or speculation from someone is fundamentally a narrative choice. And every news organization makes those choices at their own discretion and it can result in uncritical reporting. Pick a few frontpage stories from any news site you like, then see how its covered one a new source you don't like/leans the opposite w…

Yes, coverage follows trends for most news organizations but that’s pretty far off of my original point which was that the reason the responsible news organizations weren’t covering this as an anti-Jewish hate crime was just there was no evidence supporting that theory. Now that details have started to come out, we have a good example of why serious journalists have that policy.

Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by mothballed »

armchairhacker wrote: post #155
mothballed wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authorities and the university have also been asking for tips but then flipping the script as soon as they get them: "Accusations, speculation and conspiracies we're seeing on social media and in some news reports are irresponsible, harmful, and in some cases dangerous."[] Also worth noting... at one point the arrested the wrong guy. They have no clue. And become hostile when people try to come up with one. While scr…

Without further context, I don’t blame them for being hostile towards “Accusations, speculation and conspiracies…on social media and in some news reports”. Remember the Boston bombing? Tips shouldn’t be public.

Update:

The murder was solved due to a post to reddit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8giswDXoAAV-Cp?format=png&name=...

Tips should be "public" in this case because that's the only way they get noticed enough to garner attention. Wouldn't surprise me if "homeless man" was ignored by the cops if he tried earlier, or "homeless man" was too afraid to approach them directly because of how cops treat the homeless.

Re: MIT professor shot at his Massachusetts home dies

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Post by BurningFrog »

rany_ wrote: post #66
BurningFrog wrote: post #31

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It does sound like something Iran might to in retaliation.

There are lots of different scenarios you can conjure up. Another could be that Israel assassinated him after he refused to support their nuclear program OR to silence him.

That, OTOH, doesn't sound like something Israel would do at all.
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