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Post by chrisjj »

vidarh wrote: post #99
dogemaster2028 wrote: post #59

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You are allowed to say it. Unlike UK, you won’t be arrested. But you won’t be allowed in. Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here?

I live in the UK and have said worse than that about UK governments under full name with no negative effects. The idea you'll be arrested for mere criticism of the government in the UK is utter nonsense.

> have said worse than that about UK governments under full name with no negative effects.

... that you know of.

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Post by hermitcrab »

cess11 wrote: post #231
hermitcrab wrote: post #223

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>Voicing support for the group Palestine Action has been met with quite harsh responses in the UK, even though that group is arguably non-violent That was my opinion. However one of them was alleged at a recent trial to have hit and injured a policewoman with a sledgehammer.

Video from the incident: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-obhMBSWi4c BBC reporting: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o The accused person claims to have panicked due to how the police were interfering. If I understand the article correctly the cop was off work for three months due to the injury.

I hadn't seen that video. Now that i have, I am none the wiser.

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Post by hermitcrab »

rayiner wrote: post #233
hermitcrab wrote: post #225

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Yes, the hypocrisy is off the scale. Free speech, as long as it is something I agree with.

It's only hypocritical if you believe in universal values that apply to citizens and outsiders alike, which Trump's camp does not. There is nothing inconsistent with supporting free speech for Americans in America and British people in the U.K. while also supporting screening visitors to those countries based on their ideologies.

But even then you can see that they continually talk about the suppression of 'free speech' when the people talking are white supremicists and neo-Nazis. But I am not aware that there is a single instance of them sticking up for Islamic or other radicals that don't fit their agenda.

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Post by deeg »

rayiner wrote: post #233
hermitcrab wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the hypocrisy is off the scale. Free speech, as long as it is something I agree with.

It's only hypocritical if you believe in universal values that apply to citizens and outsiders alike, which Trump's camp does not. There is nothing inconsistent with supporting free speech for Americans in America and British people in the U.K. while also supporting screening visitors to those countries based on their ideologies.

Back in May Rubio was going after foreign nationals that were "censoring" Americans.

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Post by estearum »

throw310822 wrote: post #220
estearum wrote: post #210

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> No, evangelicals need all the Jews to go back to Israel for their end of the world prophecy to come true Not according to literally any evangelical I've ever spoken to, nor any mainstream evangelical in US theo-politics. Nor is that actually stated in scripture. The complete assemblage of Jews in Israel can happen during or after Tribulation via Jesus teleportation magic. Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all th…

> Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all that's required for Jesus to gain his Jew-teleportation powers. They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple? > I made no such claim. My claim is that they're getting "favorable" treatment as a purely instrumental means to an end. That's exactly the claim I was talking about. You s…

> They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple?

Sure: Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war and evangelicals want Israel to win that war, ergo cannot withhold aid.

More generally, because despite people actually believing these things, they find it much harder to put into real logical action. Same reason people who believe the end times are fast-approaching for some reason aren't selling all their belongings and knocking off their bucket list.

> Isn't that a bit suspicious to you?

No not really. My theory explains both the rampant anti-semitism throughout the GOP and the extreme pro-Israel sentiment within the GOP. Your theory fails to explain half of it.

Not sure how to parse your last paragraph. Who said it's random? It's not random at all: there's a clear lineage between evangelical and Jewish belief systems. It's super not-random! Their prophesies are intertwined because they're derived from the same sources.

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Post by scarecrowbob »

rayiner wrote: post #234
scarecrowbob wrote: post #191

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Is it not chilling if government can proscribe the things that you say for other people, as if your position is one the government can directly oppose and call illegitimate?

I suspect those who find it chilling also perceive a weak distinction between citizens and visitors. For people who see that difference as foundational, differing treatment of those two groups is not chilling.

Well, yes people who believe in "universal human rights" probably are less okay with "highly contingent rights conferred by a government".

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Post by testing22321 »

mnky9800n wrote: post #215
techblueberry wrote: post #205

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I have to assume the real goal is just to tank tourism.

But why? Tourism is like 3% gdp for USA. That’s like hundreds of billions of annual dollars. Losing that would hurt. https://apps.bea.gov/scb/issues/2025/02-february/0225-travel...

Keep foreigners out to keep Americans more in the dark about how things operate in the outside world.

Don’t want any negative comparisons being made

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Post by joquarky »

mnky9800n wrote: post #215
techblueberry wrote: post #205

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I have to assume the real goal is just to tank tourism.

But why? Tourism is like 3% gdp for USA. That’s like hundreds of billions of annual dollars. Losing that would hurt. https://apps.bea.gov/scb/issues/2025/02-february/0225-travel...

You're assuming the goals are to improve rather than destroy.

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Post by throw310822 »

estearum wrote: post #245
throw310822 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sovereignty to rebuild the temple is all that's required for Jesus to gain his Jew-teleportation powers. They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple? > I made no such claim. My claim is that they're getting "favorable" treatment as a purely instrumental means to an end. That's exactly the claim I was talking about. You s…

> They already have sovereignty, so why don't evangelicals lobby to withhold all aid to Israel unless they get to work and rebuild the temple? Sure: Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war and evangelicals want Israel to win that war, ergo cannot withhold aid. More generally, because despite people actually believing these things, they find it much harder to put into real logical action. Same reaso…

> Because rebuilding the temple would trigger a regional war

Ah because there isn't already one, and Israel is not the only one armed with nuclear weapons and its unwavering ally is not the dominant world superpower?

> despite people actually believing these things, they find it much harder to put into real logical action

Yet they don't find it hard at all as long as it aligns with Israeli interests.

> My theory explains both the rampant anti-semitism throughout the GOP

This part I miss. Where is the rampant antisemitism in the GOP? Last time I checked, the prime minister of Israel is always welcomed in the US (especially by the GOP) as a demigod. All advisors and mediators for Israel Palestine and the middle east are Jewish. Antisemitism is Trump's justification for all repression. What are you talking about?

> It's not random at all: there's a clear lineage between evangelical and Jewish belief systems.

LOL. It's random in the sense that you keep insisting that there is no causal connection between Israel's interest and the support it receives. Somehow for some lucky coincidence they get a lot of money and privileges but hey, they've nothing to do with it!

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Post by timeon »

techblueberry wrote: post #205
bilekas wrote: post #10

I'm going to assume it's then going to be considered suspicious if you don't happen to have any social media for at least the last 5 years ?

I have to assume the real goal is just to tank tourism.

First climate-friendly policy.
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