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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Aachen »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #212
abnercoimbre wrote: post #12

> Entering other markets, such as the U.S. and Canada are to be decided due course based on potential interest from the areas. As an American, I will order this phone as soon as it’s available to me! I’m not aware of any similar option for us at the moment so I’m a little sad.

The practicality of that may depend on the exact details of the modem. For example, I believe it's possible to get a fairphone in the US, but last I checked it was a poor choice because it had awful support for cell frequencies actually in use. This lists "global roaming modem configuration" which may mean that it has good coverage, but... it also might not.

Jolla is saying they'll try to make it work on as many frequencies as possible for global support. I don't know the brand and how seriously to take that but usually English-speaking countries support are among the top priorities

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Post by Aachen »

poetaster wrote: post #170

Yipee! Ok, I can't afford more hardware, but it's my favourite mobile os and I develop/maintain apps for it, so I'm happy to see the amount of effort Jolla has put in in the last 2 years to stay relevant and up their game!

Would you like this phone to run your own apps?

If you spend development time on the ecosystem, I could maybe pay your voucher (the 99€ downpayment part), then you can get the hardware on release at the discounted price they offer for backers

Edit: I'll probably miss any replies here. Email me on (rot13) wbyyn99@ytzf.ay. I'm offering this because imo it's important to have an alternative ecosystem to Android, considering the developments in the last year where it's becoming more like iOS. Other developers who are short on funds who read this should also feel free to reach out, though I'm not some super wealthy investor I can see about what I can do

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Ekaros »

t0bia_s wrote: post #227
mhitza wrote: post #18

47% percent of voters wanted a ~6" phone, and 12% of voters a ~7" phone. I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

Dimensions: ~158 x 74 x 9mm It's way too big for me. Anything above 71mm width is unconfortable to hold in one hand or pocket.

Currently going from 67mm to 71.2mm. And I kinda can expect pain. And that is pretty much the narrowest phone available on the market in traditional form. And I already can expect that grip won't be fully usable.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Aachen »

struanr wrote: post #179
butz wrote: post #178

Is there some secret competition going on between phone makers, who can make the most obnoxious camera bump and get away with it?

Is a camera bump really that much of an issue? Most people have a case on their phone anyway

The case argument really solves everything whenever someone brings up poor choices

- Annoying glass back that scratches immediately and slides out of your hand- "just put a case on it"

- Undersized battery that won't last a day - "you can buy a case with a battery"

- The phone wobbles when you lay it on a desk or nightstand - "most people use a case anyway"

If we're meant to make our phones twice as thick, why not sell it in that form factor? Stuff that extra battery in there, make the backside grippy, and have it be able to lay down without being like a 4-legged chair where 1 leg is longer

I've never used a case on any phone. They're big enough as it is (in the xy dimensions). I did try it out of necessity when needing 2 phones in 1 pocket (work and private phone) for a week during a work trip. It's doable but just why

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Post by Aachen »

m4rtink wrote: post #200
tmikaeld wrote: post #169

Warning, the OS doesn’t work with many European banking apps like BankID. If it did, I’d be all over it

I would phrase it differently - many European banks choose hard dependency on proprietary technology provided by two non-EU duopolists (Apple and Google) that don't answer to anyone. And they usually don't provide a suitable alternative, as actually secure solution based on something like a yubikey.

My banks have always provided hardware 2FA. I think it used to be free and was surprised that I had to pay for the latest one, but I've had the previous one since my parents paid for everything so idk if that was maybe always the case

I've always done banking from the browser since I got access to any banking at all (probably when I was 16, ~15 years ago). Not sure what I'm supposed to be missing out on with these apps that don't work on many user-controlled devices (be it Linux-based or rooted Android). Log in with chip+pin for my Dutch bank (primary account), and a perplexing combination of high-entropy username, password, 2 randomly asked digits of a 5-digit PIN, a color code that you scan with the hardware device which needs another 5-digit PIN, and then typing over the 8-digit confirmation code. German efficiency! But I barely use that account anyway

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Post by Aachen »

fodmap wrote: post #26

Don't confuse Jolla https://jolla.com/ with Volla https://volla.online/en/index.php Both are European companys with a great privacy drive.

That website is asking for consent for allegedly anonymous statistics ("With your consent, we use cookies for anonymized statistics"). One doesn't need to ask for consent when you're not collecting personal data...

The only possible button is agree, but to read what you're agreeing to, you need to click agree first because this overlay also spawns on the privacy policy page that's linked from the cookie wall

The privacy information is also only available in German

10/10 privacy drive

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Aachen »

stiray wrote: post #82

I wouldnt recommend it. TLDR: while the OS is great (really GREAT), the real-world compatibility is not. I had Sailfish OS for a daily driver for two years, and OS is great (let me say that again, Sailfish IS GREAT!), but there are "the details". Jolla is completely ignorant to needs of their users. While they do have an android layer, they are ignoring to things that are of huge importance for daily life, like bluet…

How is Bluetooth used in public transport? I don't think I've ever seen that so I'm curious what nifty solution this is. Are you meant to check in via Bluetooth so you can't have multiple people use the same subscription in different trains or so? Does it open station gates? Give you real-time travel information without needing internet or them having to put up fragile displays at rural stops?

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Aachen »

stiray wrote: post #140
m4rtink wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not sey they are ignorant - rather, some things are unfortunately just not possible with their staffing and budget. Connecting Android bluetooth blobs compiled against bionic libc via glibc Linux distro to a container running Android emulation is one of these things.

Support for vital features needed for normal life is a must. And all available resources should be put into it as it is making their OS viable for usage. No android application support, no users. I have struggled for 2 years. Most users wont.

Put yourself in their place for a minute. There's a thousand to-dos, including this Bluetooth pass-through feature. If you try to get around to all of them, you need to hire more people, either telling them up front that you won't be able to pay their salary or just not mentioning that until after they've done the work. Or you need to find more paying customers, but you're already trying to do that. Every minute spent on that also is a minute lost on making a better product. How to allocate the available time optimally? It's not as simple as "they're ignoring the community completely".

Saying that this is not a product for you because there's other devices out there without this problem: entirely fair, but that's not the same thing

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stackedinserter »

fsflover wrote: post #206
stackedinserter wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean since it's linux phone with (hopefully) open architecture, it should be possible to create an external usb device that exposes any functionality. Like, to keep core functionality simple and open it for extensions ("extra battery", "knobs and switches", "ethernet" etc)

But if it does not really cut the power to hardware components, how will you trust that it turns your mic off?

There are many other use cases, physical control are not used only for cutting power of components.
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