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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by pjmlp »

torginus wrote: post #204
luke727 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.

This is the funniest thing, considering it lacks 90% of the features included freeware text editors written in some student's spare time back in the 90s. It's basically a fancy textbox. Microsoft's own people can't use the toolkits they write, as evidenced by the React component in the start menu(!)

They can, the problem is that apparently they aren't able to hire people nowadays with Win32 development experience, so they get interns that have grown in US universities with macOS and Linux, which sundenly have a Win32 developer role.

That is how you end up with web garbage in what was supposed to be native code, or .NET.

I think this is also a reason why WinUI efforts went down the drain.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by bogeholm »

p_ing wrote: post #111
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Maybe I'm jinxing it, but I've never had a problem caused by failure to update my PC. Servers I understand because they're exposed to the Internet at all times. Not PCs

Lest one remembers Win 9x or even XP w/ no firewall on residential networks.

Yeah, I remember formatting the HD on a PC back then to do a fresh install of Windows XP.

The CD-ROM I had was pre-SP2 (so no firewall), and our internet setup was basic modem + switch. No router with “drop invalid state” or fancy things like that.

So, installed Windows and plugged in Ethernet to fetch Windows updates.

2 minutes later, with no user interaction whatsoever, the PC was infected with malware.

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Post by f1shy »

ako wrote: post #203
hulitu wrote: post #167

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> Windows NT Windows NT what ? Microsoft was always the same.

Windows NT -> Experience what a good microsoft OS was. Especially around NT 3.1, NT 3.5 their goal seemed mostly to have a good competing OS.

NT was Stable what was really missing in the MS world at that time. But a "good" OS? Other than stable I expect to be able to administer HW, fine grained permissions, and lots of out-of-the-box functionality. Compared with a GNU/Linux of the time, I have never hesitated in going for Linux (or FreeBSD at the time).

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by M95D »

nilslindemann wrote: post #181

That's the start of the end of Windows. People don't want getting spied, and Linux is ready.

Linux is absolutely ready to spy too! The infrastructure is all in there and non-removable: dbus broacasts anything happening in the system, systemd starts background services by it's own and auto-updates are the norm. Last time I tried Ubuntu, it had popularity-contest installed by default. Apparently the scandal was big enough they removed it. [1]

[1] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/ubuntu-popularity-contes...

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by pjmlp »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #127

Microsoft has gone full-blown evil corporation again. No customer validation on any of the AI cruft. No full OPT OUT. Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. I've been a Windows user from day one and I now see a future without it. Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft, but this blind lust for AI, especially in bed with Altman who is pure con artist, is unforgivable. Some of the investment…

> Satya had been a bright spot in Microsoft,

Not in what concerns Windows development, I miss "Developers, Developers, Developers" dance.

UWP transition after Sinofsky was super bad managed, trying to rescue what was left of it as WinUI 3.0/WinAppSDK, killing C++/CX, C++/WinRT, .NET Native in the process is a bad joke on anyone that believed in the technology.

Don't believe the WinUI marketing, the only reason left to use it, it being a Microsoft employee, or someone that just can't let go of UWP remains.

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Post by coqadoodle »

M95D wrote: post #211
luke727 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Office products are bastardized with copilot buttons everywhere. They put copilot in notepad. NOTEPAD.

That's not Notepad. They may call it Notepad, but it isn't.

They call Wordpad write.exe!

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by M95D »

LooseMarmoset wrote: post #99
sitzkrieg wrote: post #72

windows 10 LTSC. the last remotely decent windows, i'm using it to the grave :-)

I would argue that Windows 2000 was the last decent version of Windows. Fast, non-bloated, ran DirectX and games better than Windows 98 ever did, and as stable an operating system as I'd ever run.

And yet, Win98 (or ME if you consider that a working OS) was the last OS where there was no "system" account with higher privileges than the user. Win2000 was the first OS that gave me the "access denied" message.

I'm still looking for a desktop OS where user logs in as root/system and all the programs and services run as limited accounts.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by therein »

dobong wrote: post #41

I don't want this feature. I have LaTeX documents on my computer containing my personal thoughts. Some of them I want to keep to myself. And some of them contain my own ideas that I find embarrassing. I don't want to hand those documents over to Microsoft servers, nor do I want them used for AI training. I want them to know that these deeply personal thoughts are mine.

I agree. And that being said can someone chime in on how does medianalysisd work on OSX? Because it is new-ish after the client-side AI agent scanning craze and it is always running.

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Post by 1718627440 »

testartr wrote: post #142
mapontosevenths wrote: post #136

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Are you aware that MS already sells an operating system that can install patches without rebooting? Are you also aware that Linux can do the same? Why can't a supposedly mature 40 year old operating system do the same? Do you have any concept of the number of man-hours it would save globally? The amount of lost work? The impact on patching compliance and security? My guess is they don't actually believe they have any…

every week when I login into my Ubuntu with unattended updates enabled I see this: "system restart required". the hot patch feature you mentioned is paid

Note, that you can also keep the userspace unchanged by hibernating and then choosing the new kernel on boot. It is not truly live patching, since you have still downtime, but pretty close.
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