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Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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He is clearly still very involved in the strategy of spacex. I don't think he actually cares much about cars these days.

Clearly how? Seems to me analogous to Tesla where the one thing he's clearly fixated on (Cybertruck and Starship) are very likely to be flops and potentially take down each company as a whole.

Starship will definitely ship Starlink

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Even presuming pieces weren't falling off , every time I see one of these my first thought is how did this pass safety standards (e.g. the sharp corners/blades/edges; pedestrian-strike setups). Now add on flying corners/blades/edges ... even less enthused. ---- I finally drove in a Rivian — and while I prefer the hybrid drivetrains — it was exceptionally nice. As an American, I can't wait for BYD to offer test drives…

BYD is overhyped in the US for some reason. In the countries where they are available, they are considered decent budget vehicles. There's a reason why the Model Y is still the best seller in China.

> There's a reason why the Model Y is still the best seller in China

...and that reason is that Tesla only has two models, the 3 and Y, that get any significant sales in China whereas BYD has several.

For example in the top 10 a couple months ago BYD had models that sold 70%, 69%, 59%, 58%, and 53% of what the Model Y sold.

When you look at cars sold per company rather than specific models Tesla is #10 in China with 1/6th of BYD's sales. Between BYD and Tesla there is Geely, Chery, Changan, Haval, a SAIC-GM-Wuling joint venture, a SAIC-Volkswagen joint venture, Toyota, and Xiaomi Auto.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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post #191

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That's a lot of your own judgment you've layered on top of it. For a more joyful interpretation of cybertruck aesthetics, do a image search for "cybertruck trick or treat". I volunteered to provide my truck for my kid's school Halloween party and decorated it to look like the chomp chomp monster from Mario. Kids loved it. (sure it's not cyberpunk but it's an example of how the look can be used for family friendly inn…

Did you have to put protective tape over the edges? How did you avoid kids getting cut?

The frunk area where kids reached into to grab candy has no sharp edges. There are sharper obtuse angled corners at the front corners of the truck that are exposed when the frunk is open. If a kid were to run into it at speed, it would cause the same injuries as if they ran into a standard door strike plate (metal, immovable, very similar sharpness and thickness) of which my house has ~20 of them at head height for a preschooler. If I were driving at road speeds with the frunk open and hit someone, yeah that would be a pretty serious injury.

I didn't put protective tape and no kids were injured :)

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Even presuming pieces weren't falling off , every time I see one of these my first thought is how did this pass safety standards (e.g. the sharp corners/blades/edges; pedestrian-strike setups). Now add on flying corners/blades/edges ... even less enthused. ---- I finally drove in a Rivian — and while I prefer the hybrid drivetrains — it was exceptionally nice. As an American, I can't wait for BYD to offer test drives…

BYD is overhyped in the US for some reason. In the countries where they are available, they are considered decent budget vehicles. There's a reason why the Model Y is still the best seller in China.

> There's a reason why the Model Y is still the best seller in China.

Yes, but it's the same reason the original bondi blue iMac was the best selling model of computer when it came out, while Apple themselves were still on something like 5% of desktop sales:

Lots of wood behind few arrows.

https://carnewschina.com/2024/07/14/best-selling-vehicle-bra...

(Caveat: first result, I don't know site reputation)

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Downvote or not, it's true: > NHTSA conducts frontal, side and rollover tests because these types account for the majority of crashes on America's roadways. > IIHS tests evaluate two aspects of safety: crashworthiness — how well a vehicle protects its occupants in a crash — and crash avoidance and mitigation — technology that can prevent a crash or lessen its severity. > As well as assessing how well cars protect the…

That's misleading. They don't test for pedestrian safety as part of the normal tests. But they test for it generally, not specific to any model and use those results to inform their rules about what can and can't be sold. Same story with rollover testing. This is why hood ornaments mostly died and flip up headlights fully died. The NHTSA doesn't write rules that ban specific features. You can do anything it meets the…

> Same story with rollover testing.

That's for occupants.

> Furthermore, the NHTSA doesn't do most testing.

Which is why I quoted IIHS and other non-US testing.

> NHTSA standards

Which standards are for e.g. pedestrian safety? The hood ornament thing?

> That's misleading. They don't test for pedestrian safety as part of the normal tests. But they test for it generally

No, it isn't and no they didn't/don't. E.g. GAO report from 2020 [0]:

> NHTSA’s last substantial update of NCAP was in July 2008 (with changes effective for model year 2011 vehicles). This update established additional crash tests and technical standards to protect vehicle occupants, but did not include pedestrian safety tests.

Or from NHTSA itself in 2022 [1], although note this is a "proposal" and "recommendations":

> For the first time ever, NCAP includes technology recommendations not only for drivers and passengers but for road users outside the vehicle, like pedestrians. The proposal [...]. We look forward to reviewing the comments we receive and considering them as we complete this important work.”

They will/might, by adopting Euro NCAP [2]:

> This final decision notice adds a crashworthiness pedestrian protection program to the New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) to evaluate new model year vehicles’ abilities to mitigate pedestrian injuries. Based on its previous research, NHTSA concurs with and adopts most of the European New Car Assessment Programme’s (Euro NCAP) pedestrian crashworthiness assessment methods [...]

> These changes to the New Car Assessment Program are effective for the 2026 model year.

But as of yet, this does not appear on their NCAP ratings: https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings/resources-related-nhtsas-new-c...

[0]: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-419.pdf

[1]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/five-star-safety-rating...

[2]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2024-11/NCAP-Fin...

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of your own judgment you've layered on top of it. For a more joyful interpretation of cybertruck aesthetics, do a image search for "cybertruck trick or treat". I volunteered to provide my truck for my kid's school Halloween party and decorated it to look like the chomp chomp monster from Mario. Kids loved it. (sure it's not cyberpunk but it's an example of how the look can be used for family friendly inn…

Aren't Chomp Chomps round? Wouldn't a less jagged vehicle be better for this?

Let's just say it's the N64 version where there were some polygons: https://mario64hacks.fandom.com/wiki/Chain_Chomp

Here's what another cybertruck did: https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2024...

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Three years, unless something happens to Trump or he resigns or is impeached and removed. This is still the first of his four years in office, though it feels like longer.

Ha you're right but anyway... two or three years isn't "never"

No—but there's been enough talk among Republicans suggesting that they intend to prevent or rig further elections to raise doubt about whether we're going to get free and fair elections in 2028.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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post #123
post #52

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He is clearly still very involved in the strategy of spacex. I don't think he actually cares much about cars these days.

SpaceX’s strategy has been really questionable for a while. Falcon Heavy has done 11 flights since 2018 and now they’re building an even larger platform despite heavy launch not really being a viable market segment. Starship has been slower than the now canceled SLS program run by Boing. If Starship succeeds it seems to guarantee than Falcon Heavy will have a negative ROI, but Starship needs to be wildly successful t…

Falcon Heavy isn't relevant to anything SpaceX is doing with Starlink.

Seems you've never heard of creative destruction.

The things they intend to do with Starship aren't possible with Falcon 9 or Heavy period

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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post #210

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There are import exceptions for testing purposes which I would imagine is how Ford is able to bring one over.

Probably the best option is to collude with a nonresident [1]: > Nonresidents may import a vehicle duty-free for personal use up to (1) one year if the vehicle is imported in conjunction with the owner's arrival. Vehicles imported under this provision that do not conform to U.S. safety and emission standards must be exported within one year and may not be sold in the U.S. There is no exemption or extension of the exp…

I don't see much of a reason why they would do that when the actual reason is already a legitimate import exception.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the best option is to collude with a nonresident [1]: > Nonresidents may import a vehicle duty-free for personal use up to (1) one year if the vehicle is imported in conjunction with the owner's arrival. Vehicles imported under this provision that do not conform to U.S. safety and emission standards must be exported within one year and may not be sold in the U.S. There is no exemption or extension of the exp…

I don't see much of a reason why they would do that when the actual reason is already a legitimate import exception.

Sorry, I meant the best option for our friend fragmede who wants to drive a BYD as an everyday car would be to collude with a nonresident. If Ford wants to study and test a BYD, yeah, they can just import it under the appropriate classification.
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