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privilege yes, but rights... maybe in some societies, but I wouldn't generalize
Do you have an example?
do YOU have an example? rights are the same for everyone is in probably every constitution and sorta default;)
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope. I will continue to have a DL card so I can choose to leave my phone at home. When we are required to have our IDs on our person at all times I can at least not be tracked everywhere I go. Be watchful for legislation requiring: * us to have our ID on our person at all times. * IDs to be issued in digital format only.
> Be watchful for legislation requiring This is the paranoia I don't get. These are not things that are going to happen in the US, precisely because so many people (like yourself) are against it, and it's a democracy and people vote. So putting your drivers license on your iPhone isn't some slippery slope.
> This is the paranoia I don't get. These are not things that are going to happen in the US
Many brown looking citizens carry their passport so as to not be excessively detained by ICE.
Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet
#243No thank you. I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc. What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2] Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is…
Why "no thank you"? I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry. There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away a…
There are many downsides, like dependency on battery or storing sensitive data on non transparent (proprietary) device.
Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet
#244No battery, no personality.
Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
My argument is that “digital ids can’t be faked” is a bad argument, and if you rely on it to prove a point then it might be a weak proof. (Digital IDs indeed can’t be faked but usually they are a part of a process that can be easily bypassed by using something that presents itself as a valid Digital ID even if it’s not.)
They'll be a part of a process that can be easily bypassed until they're the only thing that's accepted.
I don't think they will, as this will leave a significant amount of population without ids. The fallback will always be there.
Credit cards are a great example: they can't be faked, however while the cryptographers are sitting on their high hill and patting themselves on the back for doing great job, the credit card fraud rings billions of dollars every month. It doesn't happen because of fake cards -- it happens by exploiting the flaws in the whole process that a (non-fakeable) card is a part of.
Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet
#246There was a post from trailofbits blog recently about how passport crypto works. Kind of related here. I wonder if this is some zero knowledge proofs here or what? Reading the passport and its chip implies some terminal authentication capabilities coming from Apple devices. Passport would not allow reading sensitive data from the chip unless the terminal is valid. Another question is if Apple is allowed to read your…
> There was a post from trailofbits blog recently about how passport crypto works. Kind of related here.
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> I wonder if this is some zero knowledge proofs here or what? Reading the passport and its chip implies some terminal authentication capabilities coming from Apple devices. Passport would not allow reading sensitive data from the chip unless the terminal is valid.
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> Another question is if Apple is allowed to read your biometric data?
Passport chips aren't that complex, especially not American ones. You just need to transmit part of the MRZ to unlock them (Other ICAO compliant passports have slightly different requirements, still all easily doable for any smart phone with NFC transmit)
The Apple ID isn't a ZKP - IIRC they're doing a CBOR representation of the claims which is signed with their own cert.
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I hear this a lot, can you give me any examples of how these IDs are inaccessible? Can you please give concrete examples of what is asked for that feels onerous, or any specific cases where people aren't able to get IDs? For example, I know that Maryland DMV will even offer a translator to help you with your driving test. I'm not sure why, because all signs are in English. I have seen exactly the opposite, that at le…
Here's a comment [1] from a discussion a prior thread that contains a whole bunch of links to why ID is very hard to get for many eligible voters. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42116609
Thank you. This is why I appreciate HN.
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Why? If anything, a foreign company seems to present less risk. If you're concerned about the government getting your data, your own country can subpoena a company within its borders and get your info. It's a lot harder to get your private data from a company outside of a country's borders.
So you would be happy to have your digital identity be managed by Xiaomi, Yandex, or Eitaa?
I don't know what you mean by "managed by".
But I'd be perfectly happy to use a phone made by any of them that let me upload my driver's license to a wallet they managed.
I mean, why wouldn't I? What do I care whether China knows who I am...? I mean, I've already given them my passport when I visited anyways.
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I think you're forgetting about flights. And country borders. And I'm not sure how much luck you're going to have opening a bank account... does your birth certificate work for that?
You do not need an ID ti fly within the USA As for birth certificate, it is a document that shows you are a citizenship and does identify you and can be used. It’s common in other countries as a document to open back accounts so in many ways it can in the USA.
> You do not need an ID ti fly within the USA
As far as I can think of, you always need an ID to get through security, just before entering the baggage scan?
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're forgetting about flights. And country borders. And I'm not sure how much luck you're going to have opening a bank account... does your birth certificate work for that?
You do not need an ID ti fly within the USA As for birth certificate, it is a document that shows you are a citizenship and does identify you and can be used. It’s common in other countries as a document to open back accounts so in many ways it can in the USA.
> You do not need an ID ti fly within the USA
Unless you're trying to be unnecessarily pedantic, yes you do.
There are exceptions like if you're a minor, if you're a passenger on a general aviation flight instead of a commercial one, etc.
But if you're an adult and you want to hop on a commercial flight from JFK to LAX, you need government-issued photo ID, period. You're not getting through security otherwise.