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Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by linguae »

vladms wrote: post #164
guardian5x wrote: post #141

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Back then, the focus was on optimising for the user. Now, however, companies prioritise their own interests over the user.

Indeed, the good old days when "optimizing for the user" got us... Windows 3.1 (release date April 6, 1992 , ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_vers... ) or the first version of Linux - which I did not have the honor to use but I can imagine how user friendly it was considering what I ended up using couple of years later ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux ) /s

We can have stable user-friendly software. We had a nice sweet spot in the early 2000s with Windows XP and Mac OS X: stable operating systems built on workstation-quality kernels (NT and Mach/BSD, respectively), and a userland that respected the user by providing distraction-free experiences and not trying to upsell the user. Users of workstations already experienced this in the 1990s (NeXT, Sun, SGI, HP, and PCs running IBM OS/2 Windows NT), but it wasn’t until the 2000s when workstation-grade operating systems became readily available to home users, with both Windows XP and Mac OS X 10.0 being released in 2001.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by Almondsetat »

dewey wrote: post #190
Almondsetat wrote: post #120

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If it's free, can you even talk about underfunding?

You can donate to a free project, including yt-dlp ( https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/Maintainers.md#... )

The developers can arbitrarily decide their own goals and always claim underfunding, that's why it's meaningless in this context

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg »

j1elo wrote: post #223
Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #206

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I'm absolutely not viewing the past through rose colored glasses. RealPlayer was a dumpster fire, but that came later. I could hold shift and drag on the timeline to select, copy, then paste it into a document or another video. I can't do that with VLC today. Apple removed the feature in later releases too.

You're not viewing the past with rose colored glasses. You're just viewing the past. We had simpler codecs with simpler computational complexities. Holding Shift and selecting a chunk of a video to copy was simple because videos were mostly a succession of independently compressed frames. Nowadays, we have forward- and backward- dependant frames, scene detection, and lots of other very advanced compression techniques…

Cinepak was one such codec and that could be arbitrarily seeked and copied just fine, even in the early 90s, if the player was competently implemented. It's just a matter of computing from the nearest keyframe.

What really happened was that the feature was first paywalled as QuickTime Pro, then removed altogether, in typical enshittification fashion. It had nothing to do with the technical limitations of any of the codecs.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by moralestapia »

anamexis wrote: post #222
moralestapia wrote: post #183

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* Several hundred million tracks that are not labeled as "music" by uploaders, to start. * Native integration with my phone music player, allowing for things like seamless playback, etc. * Things I like on YouTube automatically go to my device. * If a track is removed from YouTube, it stays on my device. (Did you take 10 seconds to read my comment above?)

* Every Youtube video is playable on the Youtube music app. * There is a liked videos playlist Yes, I read your comment above. Regarding the other two points, it is of course understandable why you'd want to download and have your own solution. But that is also obviously not an issue with Google engineers/PMs neglecting to think of a feature.

Great. I'll keep using mine, though.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by titzer »

fragmede wrote: post #144
throwaway94275 wrote: post #101

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1991 was the vibrant, exciting, crazy "adolescence" of the PC age and well into the period where it was cool to have a desktop PC and really learn about it. Phones are dominant now and have passed the PC generation by - in number, not capability. The concept of copy/paste/save for arbitrary data lives on for the non-tech masses only in the form of screenshots and screen recording features.

"Fitting into my pocket so I can use it in line at the post office" is a capability that desktop PCs have yet to manage to achieve.

> use it in line at the post office

If it were a powerful, useful device that I could load my own software onto and make programmable without jumping through a bunch of hoops, instead of the ad-laden crapware that resulted from primarily two megacorps duking it out over how to best extort billions from app developers and users for their own benefit, then sure, I'd agree.

But phones aren't awesome little PCs, they're zombifying the majority of the public. They also, incidentally, are insidious little snitches busy at work trying to monetize every single thing about our daily lives.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

phplovesong wrote: post #240
gilfoy wrote: post #237

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I use YouTube daily in safari and edge, this is complete hyperbole.

Youtube is pretty unusable, as they throttle videos, and links sometimes dont work. It has gone downhill fast in recent years.

I have no problems with YouTube at all. Perhaps it's because I pay for Premium (primarily to get YouTube music).

Regardless, Google services getting worse over time is becoming a law rather than a tendency.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by devsda »

Arainach wrote: post #165
titzer wrote: post #113

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> (presumably, I haven't looked into it) YouTube broke even sometime around 2010 and has been profitable ever since. The ad revenue has always been more than enough to sustain operating costs. It's just more growthism = more ads. If you want the YouTube of 2010--you know, the product we all liked and got used to--you can't have it. Welcome to enshittification. Personally I find YouTube unusable without an adblocker.…

You can absolutely have that. You can pay for YouTube Premium and you don't get ads. It's shockingly reasonable in my opinion* - dollars spent to hours I watch, it's my personal best value streaming service. *Bias disclaimer: I work for Alphabet. Not for YouTube. There's no employee discount, I pay full price for YTP.

Ads, I can tolerate occasional ones but not signing in to YT or premium has a biggest benefit of all, no more creepy tracking and ads based on Google search keywords, no more shitty recommendations.

I can open a private window, clear cookies, clear app data or advertising id and have fresh slate that is not tainted by previous videos.

PS: While at Alphabet, if you ever run into the person who made the call to enable automatic AI translations on YT videos with no way to change language on mobile, please whack them on the head on behalf of us countless frustrated users.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by alerighi »

alex7o wrote: post #52
KeplerBoy wrote: post #37

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And it's an entirely useless effort. No idea how it is done but the internet is full 4k rips.

They find devices that are easy to hack (and I mean rip and tear) and extract the decryption keys from each of them, from what I have heard cheap chinese tvs and set top boxes, they extract the keys from the chips (hardware hacking, heard some even use microscopes to read the keys by hand), and then use them to decrypt streams, I heard that they catch them pretty fast to they use like 1 device per season. This is why…

More easily in the past (I don't think if it's still true for 4K) you only needed an HDMI splitter to bypass HDCP copy protection.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by wiseowise »

ux266478 wrote: post #151
wiseowise wrote: post #7

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Pffft, and good riddance, comrade! Just think about native application and native performance, great native animations and native experience (and native ads, of course)! We won't have this god-awful Web (that propelled modern tech world in the first place) anymore, we can finally have personal vendetta against awful JS and DOM. No more interoperability, no more leverage against corpos, just glorious proprietary encla…

> No more interoperability > no more leverage against corpos > just glorious proprietary enclaves where local tyrant can do anything they want! These are all literally consequences of the web btw, as are things like attestation in consumer hardware.

> These are all literally consequences of the web btw, as are things like attestation in consumer hardware.

Totally this, and not because powers suddenly realized they can't control Web like they controlled early "smart" dumb phones circa J2ME times.

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