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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by estearum »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #238
estearum wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, breaking asylum and due process laws will be a deterrent. The question was always how to deter immigration legally , which prior POTUSes thought they had to care about. Re the funding increase: People to put handcuffs on wasn’t the bottleneck, so no it doesn’t. Immigration courts are the bottleneck, and actually jamming more low-level or non-offenders into the system exacerbates that problem.

lol breaking asylum laws is bad but breaking immigration laws is fine.

“lol” no one said it’s fine to break immigration laws.

I’d suggest though that our government breaking laws is in fact worse than random individuals breaking laws.

That’s true for pretty obvious reasons, I’ll add.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by estearum »

giantg2 wrote: post #132
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #84

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Weird. There's an article right here showing them turning off the cameras when the line was crossed and now that data can't be used the way they don't want. So clearly we're allowed more nuanced takes than you think.

"There's an article right here showing them turning off the cameras when the line was crossed and now that data can't be used the way they don't want." Not exactly true. This happened after the arrests and won't affect those arrests. This also doesn't prevent ICE from installing and using Flock cameras on federal properties (like the post offices). I would also bet that they could still comb the existing data if they…

All of which further confirms that there is in fact a line.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by reactordev »

helterskelter wrote: post #221
reactordev wrote: post #220

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And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

Hey it's a start. Get people together who don't like Flock cameras and tell them about pulling the modem out of their vehicle and you'll get some bites.

Except when it’s all tied into the ECU and you can’t remove it. Ugh…

You’re right. It’s a start. There’s also https://www.deflock.me

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by reaperducer »

wrs wrote: post #80
seltzered_ wrote: post #50

"On Thursday, a Skagit County Superior Court judge ruled that pictures taken by Flock cameras in the cities of Sedro-Woolley and Stanwood qualify as public records, and therefore must be released as required by the state’s Public Records Act, court records show." This video by Tom Lehto talks more about that court case that illustrates citizens can legally do FOIA requests for traffic cameras (e.g. Flock): https://yo…

The example of Seattle Police dashcam and body camera footage may be interesting. When those things were relatively new, ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things). They wanted to build their own database of the theoretically public footage. The SPD complained that the overhead of redacting all that footage would be impossible. Ev…

ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things).

I know someone who until very recently worked for a major city's police department. He said there were people who would request every video they could think of, and it was his team's job to scrub through the video and blur/block out faces of children and things like that.

He said his team was absolutely overwhelmed with requests from randos all over the country requesting things in bulk. Even if his team (~10 people, full-time) didn't take the extra step to redact some images, they simply couldn't keep up with it. Essentially, a FOIA DDOS.

The stress was too much, and he left for a different career.

(Before anyone asks if the PD imposed a fee for video, I don't know. It's possible the fee wasn't high enough, or maybe there's a state law regulating the fee. But I'm not sure it matters since there are plenty of cranks in the world with very deep pockets.)

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by ethanhunt_ »

rexpop wrote: post #144
ethanhunt_ wrote: post #49

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[flagged]

Hi, Jew here: I was with you until you started slandering dissenters as "rootless cosmopolitans"—a slur has cost my family dearly—from jobs and enrollments to several dozen of our very lives. Yes, NO land is an "economic zone" while it is also a home. I feel this especially acutely having grown up in the San Francisco Bay Area where My friends and I struggle to compete for housing with the best and the brightest from…

I have nothing against you, and was unaware of the historical usage of the phrase rootless cosmopolitan.

It's terrible that as you say your family has no country to go back to. I am fighting hard to ensure that doesn't happen to my family.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by reaperducer »

jajuuka wrote: post #119
pton_xd wrote: post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

I think this is a case of, tools used to fight one type of crime are being used to fight another type of crime that disrupting the community. Kind of an unforeseen consequences situation.

Kind of an unforeseen consequences situation.

According to the article, it was foreseen. But the people who brought it up were ignored.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by theultdev »

hobs wrote: post #163
theultdev wrote: post #102

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You're conflating illegal immigration with immigration. In no way is illegal immigration "good for America".

The definition of illegal immigration changes to suit those in power, not those fleeing wars.

Nope. It's coded in our laws. It is a legal term.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by idle_zealot »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #231
reactordev wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

"And yet, you live in a society. I am very smart."

Not the right point to take away. The useful observation is that visibility is key to people understanding how their rights are being violated. Unfortunately this lesson is mostly useful to bad actors. If you're going to install surveillance cameras, don't make them look like surveillance cameras (unless they're part of a theft deterrent system).

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by sixothree »

reactordev wrote: post #220
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

Put me on that jury.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by sixothree »

mikkupikku wrote: post #197
wrs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The example of Seattle Police dashcam and body camera footage may be interesting. When those things were relatively new, ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things). They wanted to build their own database of the theoretically public footage. The SPD complained that the overhead of redacting all that footage would be impossible. Ev…

Redactions are necessary to protect innocent members of the public. Going through all the footage from every officer every single day to perform these redactions would require a huge amount of manpower. That may change with new technology, but until it can be automated reliably, the WA legislature got this right. With shit like traffic cameras, I don't think redactions are necessary, although it would be nice if all…

> Redactions are necessary to protect innocent members of the public

If these controls don't exist inside the organization, they shouldn't exist for the public either.

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