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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by tyre »

DecoPerson wrote: post #197
Yokolos wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen anybody recommend WebSockets instead of REST. I take it this isn't a widely recommended solution? Do you mean specifically for mobile clients only?

WebSockets are the secret ingredient to amazing low- to medium-user-count software. If you practice using them enough and build a few abstractions over them, you can produce incredible “live” features that REST-designs struggle with. Having used WebSockets a lot, I’ve realised that it’s not the simple fact that WebSockets are duplex or that it’s more efficient than using HTTP long-polling or SSEs or something else… N…

Find someone to love you the way DecoPerson loves websockets.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by estimator7292 »

xingped wrote: post #79

I gave up on using Nextcloud because every time it updated it accumulated more and more errors and there was no way I was going to use a software that I had to troubleshoot every single update. Also the defaults for pictures are apparently quite stupid and so instead of making and showing tiny thumbnails for pictures, the thumbnails are unnecessarily large and loading the thumbnails for a folder of pictures takes for…

My NextCloud server completely borked itself with an automatic update sometime in the last ~10 months. It's completely unresponsive.

I haven't bothered to fix it.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by estimator7292 »

MrDresden wrote: post #43
Yie1cho wrote: post #31

nextcloud just feels abandoned, even if it isn't of course. maybe paying customers are getting a different/updated/tuned version of it. maybe not. but the only thing that keeps me using it is there isn't any real selfhosted alternatives. why is it slow? if you just blink or take a breath, it touches the database. years ago i've tried to optimise it a bit and noticed that there are horrible amount of DB transactions t…

I'm not sure why you feel like it is abandoned. There is a steady release cadence and the changelog[0] clearly shows that much is being worked on. [0]: https://nextcloud.com/changelog/#latest32

Because it feels worse and more broken as time goes on. Just like any other abandoned web app, except it's being made worse and slower as an active, deliberate, ongoing choice

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by mouse-5346 »

nucleardog wrote: post #67
lompad wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

I think "people" deserves clarification: Almost the entire thing was written by a single person and with a _seriously_ impressive feature set. The launch video is well worth a quick watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15_-hgsX2V0&pp=ygUJY29weXBhc... I don't say this to diminish anyone else's contribution or criticize the software, just to call out the absolutely herculean feat this one person accomplished.

Yeah people there pretty much mean one dude. It's mine boggling how much that little program can do considering it had one dev.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by maples37 »

bfkwlfkjf wrote: post #234
imcritic wrote: post #73

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Their calendar plugin provides CalDAV, so you could just use your local calendar app that syncs with the server over that protocol.

Sooooo why not just host any caldav server instead? Like, why is nextcloud so popular compared to self hosting caldav?

In my case, I want file/photo syncing, calendar syncing, and contact syncing.

Nextcloud provides all 3 in a package that pretty much just works, in my experience (despite being kinda slow).

The Notes app is a pretty nice wrapper around a specific folder full of markdown files, I mostly use it on my phone, and on my desktop I just use my favorite editor to poke at the .md files directly.

Oh, and when a friend group wanted a better way to figure out which day to get together, I just installed the Polls app with a few clicks and we use that now.

I am a bit disappointed in the performance, but I've been running this setup for years and it "just works" for me. I understand how it works, I know how to back it up (and, more importantly restore from that backup!)

If there's another open-source, self-hosted project that has WebDAV, CalDAV, and CardDAV all in one package, then I might consider switching, but for now Nextcloud is "good enough" for me.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by big-and-small »

gloosx wrote: post #193

I was expecting the author to open the profiler tab instead of just staring at network. But its yet another "heavy JavaScript bad" rant. You really consider 1 MB of JS too heavy for an application with hundreds of features? How exactly are developers supposed to fit an entire web app into that? Why does this minimalism suddenly apply only to JavaScript? Should every desktop app be under 1 MB too? Is Windows Calculato…

Such underrated comment. You can really have 500MB of dependencies for your app because you're on MacOS and it's still gonna be fast because memory use have nothing to do with performance.

Pretty much the same with JavaScript - modern engines are amazingly fast or at least they really not depend on amount of raw javascript feed to them.

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Post by jw_cook »

mxuribe wrote: post #227
jw_cook wrote: post #154

The article mentions Vikunja as an alternative to Nextcloud Tasks, and I can give it a solid recommendation as well. I wanted a self-hosted task management app with some lightweight features for organizing tasks into projects, ideally with a kanban view, but without a full-blown PM feature set. I tried just about every task management app out there, and Vikunja was the only one that ticked all the boxes for me. Some…

I know this post is more about nextcloud...but can i just say this one feature from Vikunja "...export task summaries and comments..." sounds great!!! One of the features i seek out when i look for a task, project management software is the ability to easily and comprehensivelt provide for nice exports, and that said exports *include comments*!! Either apps lack such an export, or its very minimal, or it includes lot…

Yeah, I hear you. I almost started using a purely text-based todo workflow for those same reasons, but it was hard to give up some web UI features, like easily switching between list and kanban-style views.

My use case looks roughly like this: for a given project (as in hobby/DIY/learning, not professional work), I typically have general planning/reference notes in a markdown file synced across my devices via Nextcloud. Separately, for some individual tasks I might have comments about the initial problem, stuff I researched along the way, and the solution I ended up with. Or just thinking out loud, like you mentioned. Sometimes I'll take the effort to edit that info into my main project doc, but for the way I think, it's sometimes more convenient for me to have that kind of info associated with a specific task. When referring to it later, though, it's really handy to be able to use ripgrep (or other search tools) to search everything at once.

To clarify, though, Vikunja doesn't have a built-in feature that exports all task info including comments, just a REST API. It did take a little work to pull all that info together using multiple endpoints (in this case: projects, tasks, views, comments, labels). Here's a small tool I made for that, although it's fairly specific to my own workflow: https://github.com/JWCook/scripts/tree/main/vikunja-export

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by maples37 »

atoav wrote: post #179

As someone who has hosted a few Nextcloud instances for a few years: Nextcloud can be quick if you make it work. If you want to get a good feel for how it can be rent a Hetzner storage box (1TB for below 5 Euros a month). You sadly can't just install nextcloud on your vanilla server and expect it to perform well.

Do you have any tips and tricks to share? I'm running a self-hosted instance on an old desktop PC in my basement for me and a couple family members. Performance is kinda meh, and I don't think it's due to resource constraints on the server itself. This is after following the performance recommendations in the admin console to tweak php.ini settings.

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Post by xeromal »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #94
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

I stopped using Nextcloud when the iOS app lost data. For some reason the app disconnected from my account in the background from time to time (annoying but didn't think it was critical). Once I pasted data on Nextcloud through the Files app integration, it didn't sync because it was disconnected and didn't say anything, and it lost the data.

Oof, sounds painful. It's hard to use anything when you can't trust its fundamentals.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by localtoast »

palata wrote: post #220
cortesoft wrote: post #146

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I love immich, too, but I have also ran into a lot of issues with syncing large libraries. The iPhone app will just hang sometimes.

Does it recover though, or do you end up in situations where your setup is essentially broken? Like if I backup photos from iOS, then remove a subset of those from iOS to make space on the phone (but obviously I want to keep them on the cloud), and later the mobile app gets out of sync, I don't want to end up in a situation where some photos are on iOS, some on the cloud, but none of the devices has everything, and I…

I have found adding the following four lines to the immich proxy host in nginx proxy manager (advanced tab) solved my immich syncing issues:

client_max_body_size 50000M;

proxy_read_timeout 600s;

proxy_send_timeout 600s;

send_timeout 600s;

FWIW, my library is about 22000 items large. Hope this helps someone.

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