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Re: Tim Bray on Grokipedia

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"Wikipedia, in my mind, has two main purposes: A quick visit to find out the basics about some city or person or plant or whatever, or a deep-dive to find out what we really know about genetic linkages to autism or Bach’s relationship with Frederick the Great or whatever." Completely agree with the first purpose but would never use wikipedia for the second purpose. Its only good at basics and cannot handle complex in…

> Its only good at basics and cannot handle complex information well. Poppycock! Because of MediaWiki's multimedia capabilities it can handle complex information just fine, obviously much better than printed predecessors. What you mean is a Wiki's focus, which can take the form of a generalized or universal encylopedia (e. g. Wikipedia), or a specialized one, or a free-form one (Wikipedia, in practice, again). Wikipe…

Don't understand the implications of this:

"And to take care of another utterly bizarre comment: Encylopedias are always, per defintion, also repositories of knowledge."

We should just accept wholescale editing and knowledge production when we personally agree with it? Otherwise its verboten? You are aware of "edit-a-thons"? Are these biased?

Why not just have an AI print all of the currently available information on a topic with minimised (not zero) biases?

If we lived in a utopia where wikipedia could randomly allocate tasks to a diverse group of expert level civilians and then aggregate these takes/edits into a full description of a topic I would agree with wikipedia maximalists. This does not happen and a bunch of bad or naive actors have reduced the quality.

Re: Tim Bray on Grokipedia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't deliver. He should just link to the actual revisions that were reverted. The fact he refuses to is telling. He was definitely not banned as a result of his story, he definitely did something egregious (such as repeatedly insulting people on talk pages or repeated vandalism) or was editing without an account and he is portraying a typical residential IP block ban as him being banned for "wrong think". It is…

Maybe I don't want to doxx myself. As I said, it's been a couple of years and I'm over it. I stand nothing to gain by reopening old wounds. Take it FWIW. But ask yourself: is this the first time you've heard that Wiki editors gang up upon people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not...

Nobody here is going to care who you are. If you are so over it, why did you bring it up at all?

Re: Tim Bray on Grokipedia

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to go through the trouble of checking, you might as well link to the things you checked.

Sure. Tim Bray’s Grokipedia: https://grokipedia.com/page/Tim_Bray Relevant text: Serving as the FTC's infrastructure expert, he testified on technical aspects such as service speed and user perceptions of responsiveness, assessing potential competitive harms from reduced incentives for innovation post-acquisition; his declaration, referenced in court filings, emphasized empirical metrics over speculative harms.[49][5…

Thanks!

With these sources in hand I think I am convinced of Tim's original point; I first looked at that ftc document and didn't see anything about user responsiveness in it.

The fact that it's not mentioned and that the main points he made in that summary have nothing to do with user responsiveness is evidence that Grok did a crap job summarizing his role in the FTC's cas, right?

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