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Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by murkt »

dmayle wrote: post #221
Kon5ole wrote: post #204

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>> You can get 8K TVs for >8K at jumbo TV size has relatively large pixels compared to an 8K desktop monitor. It’s easier to manufacture. I don't think that's true. I've been using a 8k 55" TV as my main monitor for years now. It was available for sub-800 USD before all such tv's vanished from the market. Smaller pixels were not more expensive even then, the 55"s were the cheapest. 4k monitors can be had for sub-200…

I've been using an 8k 65" TV as a monitor for four years now. When I bought it, you could buy the Samsung QN700B 55" 8k, but at the time it was 50% more than the 65" I bought (TCL). I wish the 55" 8k TVs still existed (or that the announced 55" 8k monitors were ever shipped). I make do with 65", but it's just a tad too large. I would never switch back to 4k, however.

What standard does reliably work to drive 8K at 60 Hz and how expensive cables are?

How far away do you sit from it? Does it sit on top of your desk? What do you put on all this space, how do you handle it?

I don’t think you’re maximizing one browser window over all 33 million pixels

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Post by rangestransform »

guhcampos wrote: post #138
piker wrote: post #75

The problem with using this kind of monitor for any work that others will view on their own monitors is that your perception of what looks good will be way off. For example, it's clear that a lot of the Rust UI framework developers have been working on Macs for the last few years. The font rendering on many of those look bad once you plug them into a more normal DPI monitor. If they hadn't been using Macs with Retina…

This is more widespread than we like to admit. Developers writing software on 64GB M4 Macs often don't realize the performance bottlenecks of the software they write. Developers working over 1gbps Internet connections often don't realize the data gluttony of the software they write. Developers writing services over unlimited cloud budgets often don't realize the resource wastes into which their software incurrs. And…

At a "rich world" company that wants to make money, it's completely rational to not give a shit about "poor world" people that won't make you much money (relatively speaking) anyways. It basically only makes sense to milk the top leg of the K-shaped economy.

Conversely, it opens up a niche for "poor world" people to develop local solutions for local challenges, like mobile payments in India and some of Africa.

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Post by mrguyorama »

tombert wrote: post #36
ssivark wrote: post #26

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What are the cons of having a large TV as a monitor? I've been considering something like this recently, and I wonder why is this not more common.

I'm sure there are reasons with regards to games and stuff, but I don't really use this TV for anything but writing code and Slack and Google Meet. Latency doesn't matter that much for just writing code. I really don't know why it's not more common. If you get a Samsung TV it even has a dedicated "PC Mode".

Lots of us HAVE tried using a TV as a primary monitor, I did for years.

Then I bought a real display and realized oh my god there's a reason they cost so much more.

"Game mode" has no set meaning or standard, and in lots of cases can make things worse. On my TV, it made the display blurry in a way I never even noticed until I fixed it. It's like it was doing N64 style anti-aliasing. I actually had to use a different mode, and that may have had significant latency that I never realized.

Displays are tricky, because it can be hard to notice how good or bad one is without a comparison, which you can't do in the store because they cheat display modes and display content, and nobody is willing to buy six displays and run tests every time they want to buy a new display.

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by mrguyorama »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #51
tombert wrote: post #16

I swore a blood oath that I would never buy an Asus product ever again, after three terrible laptops from them in a row, but holy hell do I kind of want this monitor. My main "monitor" right now is an 85" 8K TV, that I absolutely love, but it would be nice to have something smaller for my upstairs desk.

What would you pick for your next laptop if you had to buy one? I had an Asus laptop, but the frequent security firmware updates for one of the Dell laptop that I had makes me think it might make a good candidate in terms of keeping up with security updates. Not sure for the current latest models for Asus/Dell/HP/etc., but I liked the fact that disassembly manuals are provided for older Dell and HP. I can hardly find…

My girlfriend's 2 year old Asus Zenbook had easy to find repair manuals and was pretty repairable. Though consumer laptop naming conventions make googling for it error prone.

The main problem was parts. She had a fan that was defective and noisy, and the Asus parts store didn't have it in stock, and there was one on ebay for $30.

But the replacement was easy, the construction was solid, and there have been no issues since.

>Asus when I have to do maintenance such as swapping out thermal paste/pads and clearing out the heatsink fins.

If you have to do this more than once or twice over a ten year lifespan of a laptop, you probably should invest in air cleaning systems. Mid range consumer laptops are way less thermally constrained than they used to be. Ryzen CPUs are essential for that, though I think Intel now has usable cool laptop CPUs

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Post by MBCook »

stephenr wrote: post #82
piker wrote: post #75

The problem with using this kind of monitor for any work that others will view on their own monitors is that your perception of what looks good will be way off. For example, it's clear that a lot of the Rust UI framework developers have been working on Macs for the last few years. The font rendering on many of those look bad once you plug them into a more normal DPI monitor. If they hadn't been using Macs with Retina…

Conversely if you only use a ~110 DPI display you won't know how bad it looks on a ~220 DPI display. The solution here is wide device testing, not artificially limiting individual developers to the lowest common denominator of shitty displays.

I can’t tell you how often I see this. Brand new designs or logos in 2024 or 2025 that look abysmal on a retina monitor because no one bothered to check.

Stands out like a sore thumb.

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Post by MBCook »

swiftcoder wrote: post #121
stephenr wrote: post #86

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> if you were to make an analogy you should target for a few devices that represent the "average" For Macs, 220DPI absolutely is the average.

I'm honestly not sure where all these hackernews commenters with low-dpi displays are coming from - my former employers equipped all the software engineers with dual-4K displays nearly a decade ago. One is hard-put to buy a developer-power laptop with a sub-2K display these days, even in the Windows world, and >2K displays have been cheap on desktop for a really long time.

Absolutely everyone in my company uses 1080p monitors unless they got their own. That’s just “normal“.

It’s horrible.

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Post by spookie »

edb_123 wrote: post #154
sim7c00 wrote: post #90

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this exactly. same ppl do for sound, listen in the car, over shity headphones etc. - that's just quality control not the fault of any piece of equipment.

Well, of course it's a good idea to double check with various output methods. But if a mix sounds good on studio monitors with a flattest possible frequency response (preferably even calibrated with an internal DSP) in an acoustically treated room, there's a very high probability it will sound good on almost anything out there. At least that's my experience.

I would reccomend one to take a look at the usual frequency response of cheap drivers or the inherent flaws of the consumer tech over time and compare it with the evolution of pop music.

Audio engineers are for sure taking all this into account, and more (:

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

zerkten wrote: post #170
guhcampos wrote: post #138

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This is more widespread than we like to admit. Developers writing software on 64GB M4 Macs often don't realize the performance bottlenecks of the software they write. Developers working over 1gbps Internet connections often don't realize the data gluttony of the software they write. Developers writing services over unlimited cloud budgets often don't realize the resource wastes into which their software incurrs. And…

You can nerf network performance in the browser devtools or underprovision a VM relatively easily on these machines. People sometimes choose not to and others are ignorant. Most of the time, it's just the case that they are dealing with too many things that are vague making it difficult to prioritize seemingly less important things. A number of times I've had to have a framing discussion with a dev that eventually ge…

More to the point; colour and font rendering are typically "perception" questions and very hard to measure in a deployed system without introducing a significant out of band element.

Network performance can be trivially measured in your users; and most latency/performance/bandwidth issues can be identified clearly.

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Post by ebbi »

martinald wrote: post #89

Me and a friend were just chatting how annoying it is monitors stalled out at 4K. I think I got my first set of 4k monitors ~15 years ago (!) and there's been no improvements since then apart from high end pro monitors resolution wise. Why is this? 5k/6k at 27" would be the sweet spot for me, and potentially 8k at 32". However, I'm not willing to drop $2k per monitor to go from a very nice 27" 4k to 27" 5k. You can g…

One of the best things I've done for my setup is convert old 5k iMacs to work as external display.

Only downside are the massive borders by todays standards, but it still has the Apple aesthetics, the 5k resolution is beautiful for my use cases (spreadsheets, documents, photo editing), and has HDMI inputs so I can play PS5 on it.

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Post by noir_lord »

Intermernet wrote: post #141
sz4kerto wrote: post #139

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This is exactly how sound studios do mixing. They don't just use top-end monitors -- they generally also listen on low-end speakers that color sound in a way that's representative to what people have at home (hello, Yamaha NS-10).

People used to buy NS-10s because they knew professional studios used them. They were then underwhelmed when they sounded worse than the hifi speakers they had at home. Many audio engineers live by the mantra "if it sounds good on NS-10s, it'll sound good on anything". We need such a touchstone for software engineers.

It'd be moving touchstone is the problems, speakers in the consumer space don't evolve as fast as computing tech in the user space.

You could get somewhat close by looking at what was a middle of the road consumer laptop from Dell/HP/Lenovo 5 years ago and buying one of those though.

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