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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Most engineers/scientists/tech people will just have to understand at a fundamental level that they are just not the target market for apple. That is the kind of thing that needs a strong vision from the top to provide.

The eternal optimism of the techie mind. I saw this coming when Asahi was launched. What they did was impressive but nobody is superhuman and inherently Apple is all about control. Linux will always be - at best - a third rate citizen.

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I used to be in this camp until I tried and bought an M1 Macbook as my daily driver. I thought I was going to be Thinkpad/XPS w/ Linux until I die. I don't love MacOS but POSIX is mostly good enough for me and the hardware is so good that I'm willing to look past the shortfalls. Seriously I would love to switch back to a full-time Linux distro but I'm more interested in getting work done and having a stable & perform…

>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.

That’s just not true. Every coworker I know who use Linux[1] have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever. It’s all fixable and this kind of inconvenience can be worth it when balanced with the perceived advantages, but saying driver issues are a thing of the past is just a lie.

[1]: I’ve seen these issues on Dell (XPS 13), Thinkpads, and HP laptops

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Not a rugpull; monetization was at the top of the FAQ from the beginning. https://web.archive.org/web/20230331034854/https://docs.orbs...

Them saying “we’re going to pull the rug” in advance doesn’t make it not a rug pull, it just means you have advanced notice of the rug pull.

How is wanting to build software sustainably a rug pull? Like seriously, if you get value from orbstack, it's fair to pay them.

Otherwise you can still stick to free alternatives like colima which would be CLI only

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.

That’s just not true. Every coworker I know who use Linux[1] have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever. It’s all fixable and this kind of inconvenience can be worth it when balanced with the perceived advantages, but saying driver issues are a thing of the past is just a lie. [1]: I’ve seen these issues on Dell (XPS 13), Thinkpads, and HP laptops

Every coworker I know who use Windows have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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So in other words you've got nothing? There is literally nothing in your links that backs up your claims. So conferences in every western country should also not invite Chinese or Japanese speakers because they hold similar views to DHH? I'm so over this exhausting need to feel self-righteous.

Hm? My claim is that they back Omarchy and DHH, I think my links back that up?

Your claim was that they explicitly support fascism. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. What you seem to mean instead is: They financially support a popular open source project called Omarchy, which is built by DHH, and you believe DHH to be a fascist.

You're welcome to your opinion, and I have zero insight into whether DHH is a fascist or not, but by no means is that explicit support for fascism! It's not just exaggeration, it's actually a lie.

If you buy a machine from Framework you might indirectly support a project which is maintained by someone whose opinions you dislike.

If you buy a Lenovo machine you will contribute to the revenue of an authoritarian government that will use some of that money to perpetuate human rights abuses against its own citizens, and maybe the citizens of your own country too one day.

Which is the most moral choice here in your opinion?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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And what's the ETA for M5 support?

It's funny that this exact question is mentioned in marcan's "I'm leaving Asahi Linux" blogpost, haha. > And, of course, “When is M3/M4 support coming?” https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-l... It's just amusing to me that Linux users since the beginning of time have been working hard on ensuring the maintainers of their software get upset at them and quit working on their software. Over decade…

To be clear, I would not ordinarily ask these kinds of questions. I understand that things take time. That's why I'm resigned to the idea that Asahi will never again be roughly up to date with the latest Apple hardware. I only asked this question because hanikesn seems to think that Asahi will magically suddenly be up to date once they've upstreamed everything.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

I wonder if you’ll find apples native contains support useful at all https://github.com/apple/container

No, it doesn't really solve any of the issues I mention.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Hm? My claim is that they back Omarchy and DHH, I think my links back that up?

Your claim was that they explicitly support fascism. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. What you seem to mean instead is: They financially support a popular open source project called Omarchy, which is built by DHH, and you believe DHH to be a fascist. You're welcome to your opinion, and I have zero insight into whether DHH is a fascist or not, but by no means is that explicit support for fascism ! It's not jus…

I didn't say they explicitly support fascism. I said they are explicitly political, and they are pro-fascism.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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i was using Asahi on my M1 laptop, it was great, but have since switched to UTM.app (from the app store, but available outside it too), and configured to use Apple Silicon Hypervisor rather than QEMU, and it's been excellent, on M2 series processors at least. UTM warns its wrapping of the Apple Silicon hypervisor is not perfectly tested, but it's perfectly great. (When configuring a new hypervisor-ed OS, i use a Fedo…

If I was stuck on Mac and wanted Linux for my dev machine, I would go the VM route. I did that over a decade ago and it was great.

Asahi, while a heroic project, was always going to struggle long term and I wonder what kind of battery hit you take using it. I’d rather keep the vertical integration in the Mac ecosystem and just log into a vm that I full screen. Best of both worlds

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That’s true, but the Apple chips are not built on the base Arm designs and don’t use Adreno, they also use more proprietary IP in the SoC.

Adreno is proprietary IP; it's an exclusively Qualcomm thing.

True, meant Mali, mb
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