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Public Montessori programs strengthen learning outcomes at lower costs: study

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Post by em-bee »

7thaccount wrote: post #239
em-bee wrote: post #179

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the best school for your kids is one where they're safe and one with curious and motivated kids and enthusiastic teachers that can help inspire and unlock talent the montessori method is designed to achieve exactly that. so the method matters because it enables children to become like that.

It may be designed to do that, but I'm highly skeptical it does a better job than a typical well-run school. I've heard plenty of horror stories too.

you have to observe it in person to really get it. it does a much better job. i haven't heard any horror stories. but for any story you hear, you have to ask, is that actually an accredited montessori school, or is it one that just uses the name for marketing reason.

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Post by pfannkuchen »

nicolas_t wrote: post #219
BeetleB wrote: post #112

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> Which should make no sense because the teachers themselves work odd years in one school, even years in the other school. Peers make a huge difference. Before university, I split my high school between two schools - one that was near the top academically, and one that was quite poor. The latter did have some smart students intellectually, but almost none did well academically because it wasn't valued by their peers.…

In middle school, I had good grades but was considered a bit of a teacher's pet and was not well liked (especially since I sucked at sports). So I stopped doing homework, I showed that I didn't make effort to try and be better accepted. I still did any graded homework (less than 20% of the homework given) but didn't bother with anything else. Luckily school was easy for me so I still got good grades but I got very ha…

> peers don't value speaking multiple languages. As a result she's ashamed and refuses to speak Cantonese.

Or maybe Cantonese is less fashionable in France than French is in Hong Kong?

Re: Public Montessori programs strengthen learning outcomes at lower costs: study

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Post by pfannkuchen »

jedimastert wrote: post #29
PiRho3141 wrote: post #27

I send my child to a private Montessori school. With that said, there's no denying that sending your child to a private Montessori school is similar to parents who buy books in learning to parent are typically better parents not because they read the books but because they care enough to buy the books. If you care enough to send your child to a Montessori school, the parent is invested in the child's success and I th…

> If you care enough to send your child to a Montessori school Think you mean to say that if you are well be enough to send your child to a private school...I try not to pull out the "privilege" card but good grief.

Isn’t Montessori considered kind of weird by many people, though? Like you have to be into child education and actually critically assess the available options to realize it’s probably better than the standard one. Or has Montessori achieved Eternal September?

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Post by derangedHorse »

7thaccount wrote: post #136
objektif wrote: post #99

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We visited multiple Montessori schools for both my kids and I can confidently say that I met some of the saddest and coldest teachers I have ever seen in my life. I am not sure that is really best environment for small kids. I myself went to shitty public schools and became an exceptional student later on. I am doubtful about the impact of early education on future success.

I never went to Montessori, but did cub scouts at one and those were some odd kids and parents. I felt like I was on an alien planet. Not bad people or anything, just certainly different. Like they took a class on how to act human, but lost something in translation. I do recall there being a lot of toys and stuff. There was an old Texas Instruments computer that caught my interest as we had computers with Windows 95…

I am of the belief that the best school, for those who can afford it, is homeschooling. Most of the time there is no one who cares more about a child’s education than the child’s parents.

Not everyone can afford to have one parent stay at home, but those who can should try it out. Most of the time there’s online curricula that can be followed and the course work can be completed in a fraction of the time vs learning in a public school. This leads to more time for extracurriculars and give more time for social interaction.

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Post by objektif »

derangedHorse wrote: post #244
7thaccount wrote: post #136

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I never went to Montessori, but did cub scouts at one and those were some odd kids and parents. I felt like I was on an alien planet. Not bad people or anything, just certainly different. Like they took a class on how to act human, but lost something in translation. I do recall there being a lot of toys and stuff. There was an old Texas Instruments computer that caught my interest as we had computers with Windows 95…

I am of the belief that the best school, for those who can afford it, is homeschooling. Most of the time there is no one who cares more about a child’s education than the child’s parents. Not everyone can afford to have one parent stay at home, but those who can should try it out. Most of the time there’s online curricula that can be followed and the course work can be completed in a fraction of the time vs learning…

I completely agree with you but man who has time and energy to spend all the time with kids? It is more than just affordability.

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Post by asdff »

em-bee wrote: post #91
asdff wrote: post #84

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I attended one for elementary and middleschool. Early on everything we did was in groups. Take the multiplication flash cards and quiz eachother. Mess with the abacus. Look at the geological periods chart, etc. All the stuff seemed pretty fun to me. Yes, we had outdoor recess everyday, alhough we had a good setup with a big playground and some woods on the property. A lot of montessori setups I see now look really sp…

thank you for that detailed insight. i only had the opportunity to observe ad learn about montessori in kindergarten. what you describe is pretty much what i expected from reading about it, but i haven't seen any stories from actual students who experienced it. it would seem that some groups in your class could have benefited from more teacher attention. or maybe from mixing up the groups.

People were loathe to work in other groups compared to their friends like most kids are. Overall it was a great experience though. A few kids probably with the most lack of focus and fooling around did eventually end up with special 1 on 1 attention as well. Everyone is doing fine today, great outcomes really.

Re: Public Montessori programs strengthen learning outcomes at lower costs: study

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Post by em-bee »

asdff wrote: post #246
em-bee wrote: post #91

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thank you for that detailed insight. i only had the opportunity to observe ad learn about montessori in kindergarten. what you describe is pretty much what i expected from reading about it, but i haven't seen any stories from actual students who experienced it. it would seem that some groups in your class could have benefited from more teacher attention. or maybe from mixing up the groups.

People were loathe to work in other groups compared to their friends like most kids are. Overall it was a great experience though. A few kids probably with the most lack of focus and fooling around did eventually end up with special 1 on 1 attention as well. Everyone is doing fine today, great outcomes really.

People were loathe to work in other groups compared to their friends like most kids are.

understandable, but actually a problem that should to be counteracted. it's not really healthy if the same kids always work together because it leads to building cliques. ad you don't want that in a school. it also causes kids that don't fit in any group to be excluded.

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