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MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by chupasaurus »

_cenw wrote: post #206
SteveNuts wrote: post #175

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> I wonder if they will be "valkeyed"? Not by AWS presumably Almost certainly not, due to the AGPL license. I know Nutanix got into hot water about distributing Minio so I don't think any big shop will fork it.

Nuantrix distributed a version that was still Apache licensed and merely failed to disclose they had made changes. This is after MinIO asserted that Weka had also stolen their AGPL-licensed code, showing that they extracted binaries from the distribution. They forgot that that 3-month old (unmodified) version was still Apache licensed though. MinIO generally don't seem to consult lawyers often. They haven't even set…

> showing that they extracted binaries from the distribution

Funnily enough, such action is outside of their paid product's EULA.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

fukka42 wrote: post #129
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #14

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They changed their public guidance at this point, but you can still find references to their approach to AGPL quoted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35328316 > "When MinIO is linked to a larger software stack in any form, including statically, dynamically, pipes, or containerized and invoked remotely, the AGPL v3 applies to your use. What triggers the AGPL v3 obligations is the exchanging data between the…

Did they ever get permissions from their contributors to switch to AGPL? Last I checked they did not. They didn't require a CLA either. So no matter what they claim large parts of the codebase are still apache2.

It wouldn't matter anyways, you cannot relicense historic releases.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Klemoniono »

hansmayer wrote: post #240
Klemoniono wrote: post #157

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I'm not scared at all and could care less about building the image myself. I'm also not 'entitled' because i'm doing this for another open source project we are now maintaining. Just to be clear: THEY already have to maintain the docker image and it makes it less secure for EVERYONE if the community now needs to either find a new github repo/company building it for them or everyone has to build it themselves because…

> Just to be clear: THEY already have to maintain the docker image and it makes it less secure for EVERYONE if the community now needs to either find a new github repo/company building it for them or everyone has to build it themselves because they do not trust random companies. Wrong - it would be less secure if they did not share the source code and the Dockerfile along that too. As long as you take care to regular…

So just to be clear, they publish the docker image, they have an Github action which is basically free for them to build and release it into a free registry but they don't do it.

So i setup everything to do this on my github with their code and publish it on my package.

And you don't think this is stupid?

The problem is the critisim how they act and even if they release everything and its just building the image, you can't trust another source to upload the image someone else has build with this file. So now everyone has to build the same image.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by fukka42 »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #242
fukka42 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they ever get permissions from their contributors to switch to AGPL? Last I checked they did not. They didn't require a CLA either. So no matter what they claim large parts of the codebase are still apache2.

It wouldn't matter anyways, you cannot relicense historic releases.

It does matter, since the current AGPL license status is questionable at best, they did not have permission to relicense code added by contributors. This is why CLAs exist.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by palmotea »

protonbob wrote: post #213
serf wrote: post #185

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did you buy the ratchet? that's why you'd be pissed.

If you were given the ratchet and then someone wanted to charge you every time you use it you would also be pissed.

> If you were given the ratchet and then someone wanted to charge you every time you use it you would also be pissed.

People gotta eat. If someone's making valuable tools and giving them away, they still need to get paid somehow. If people aren't voluntarily tipping them enough, then something's gotta give.

There have been too many stories of open source developers basically burning themselves out for years, then it comes out that they're barely scraping by and can't take it anymore.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by evanelias »

imiric wrote: post #210
jamespo wrote: post #123

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Github is awash with accounts with zero contributions to anything who use it to lobby for their personal requirements.

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of OSS. You're essentially saying that only users who contribute to OSS are worthy of attention and support. This is no different than saying that only commercial users, or those from specific countries, backgrounds, or industries are worthy of the same. Those users who create issues, request features, and, yes, ask for support, are as valuable as those who contribute code or…

> If you think otherwise then you should make your terms of service explicit

FOSS licenses already do that: they shout at you in all-caps that the authors PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED.

Meanwhile the licenses don't say anything about communities.

For better or worse, OSI convinced everyone that "open source" is synonymous with using specific licenses that meet their definition. If that's the case, then how can it be a "fundamental misunderstanding of OSS" to strictly interpret OSS by the terms of the licenses, which don't mention any sort of "social contract", while they do include language explicitly contrary to such expectations of users?

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by nunez »

Kevinmetaba wrote: post #238
mattbee wrote: post #89

They abandoned documentation (edit: for the open source codebase) a couple of weeks ago - that seems more significant. From their Slack on Oct 10: "The documentation sites at docs.min.io/community have been pulled of this morning and will redirect to the equivalent AIStor documentation where possible ". [emphasis mine] The minio/docs repository hasn't been updated in 2 weeks now, and the implication is that isn't goi…

During an upgrade, I discovered that the console had been removed without any prior notice. MinIO really pissed me off. Over a month ago, I started looking for a MinIO alternative and found RustFS. I've been testing RustFS for over a month now, and the product continues to improve, with the community fixing bugs very quickly. I hope YC will invest in this company.

At the same time, I'm concerned that a YC investment means more of the same, eventually: open-source until it's no longer fiscally prudent.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Kevinmetaba »

nunez wrote: post #248
Kevinmetaba wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During an upgrade, I discovered that the console had been removed without any prior notice. MinIO really pissed me off. Over a month ago, I started looking for a MinIO alternative and found RustFS. I've been testing RustFS for over a month now, and the product continues to improve, with the community fixing bugs very quickly. I hope YC will invest in this company.

At the same time, I'm concerned that a YC investment means more of the same, eventually: open-source until it's no longer fiscally prudent.

Is open source and making money in conflict? If they do a good job, I am willing to pay.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jzb »

Tepix wrote: post #12

It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…

You don't understand, or don't agree with the complaints. Those are two different things, and I suspect you understand why people are complaining and instead disagree with the complaints.

People are complaining because something was available, they adopted it, then it was discontinued. Apparently with little warning, and after they'd been encouraged to adopt it by the provider of the images.

As it happens, I agree with the general idea that if folks are not paying for the convenience of builds, then it's on them to work from source. However, it's better IMO if a vendor or project start from that position rather than what's seen as a rug-pull.

Of course, it's part of the playbook: when something is new and not widely adopted, the vendor goes to great effort to encourage adoption -- then the vendor starts looking at the paid vs. free usage and sees "huh, we have a 10000:1 ratio of paid to free users, including ten megacorps that show up grabbing binaries every 10 minutes for their CI/CD farm, and asking questions in our forums, but aren't paying a penny toward development and our investors are getting pissy."

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