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AI is making us work more

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Re: AI is making us work more

#241
AI "will do the heavy lifting so you have more time for the creative work you enjoy, or free to enjoy things outside work", was always a lie.

Americans are much more "productive" than we were 50 years ago but we're working as many hours or more. So obviously we're not the ones capturing the benefits from that added productivity.

Re: AI is making us work more

#242

I know it's making me work more, and I am thrilled. I have not shipped production code for 20 years, and it was desktop back then. I am now able to single-handedly create webapp MVPs, one of which is getting traction. If anything actually takes-off, there will certainly be need for a real dev to take over. Also, my commits are not "vibe coded." I have read every single loc, and found so many issues that I am stunned…

Sounds like these are hobby projects that you're doing on your own. The point of AI making us work more is referring to people at companies, not for themselves. Employers are capturing the productivity benefits (if they exist), not employees.

Re: AI is making us work more

#243

I know it's making me work more, and I am thrilled. I have not shipped production code for 20 years, and it was desktop back then. I am now able to single-handedly create webapp MVPs, one of which is getting traction. If anything actually takes-off, there will certainly be need for a real dev to take over. Also, my commits are not "vibe coded." I have read every single loc, and found so many issues that I am stunned…

Sounds like these are hobby projects that you're doing on your own. The point of AI making us work more is referring to people at companies, not for themselves. Employers are capturing the productivity benefits (if they exist), not employees.

That is a false assumption.

I am getting paid. I was able to resurrect a startup that failed 8 years ago. Back then, we tried to bootstrap with a very nice off-shore dev for the MVP, that's all we could afford. The iteration period was ~24hrs. That period is now minutes. You know who that helps? Every startup who didn't nail the idea from go, and requires iteration.

I can now meet with a user on Monday, show them the little feature they wanted by Tuesday... like a real full stack dev would have done 4 years ago. Is it ready for b2c scale on Tuesday? No, but that's not my goal.

I understand all the LLM-dev derision to some extent. But if you are not using the billions of non-gate-kept subsidies given to all of us right now, then either you are working on real computer science problems, or you are wasting what seems like the biggest opportunity of my lifetime.

This is the greatest time to build a startup ever. However, if you are stuck making that money for the boss, then yeah.. that's probably annoying. And yes, it is scary as hell that we are all going to be replaced, in possibly very short order. This is the time for every dev to learn to be a ... eeek... product dev, and not a just a software dev. I think Product Dev will become a thing.

Re: AI is making us work more

#244

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On the cheat topic: don't forget things like 'r/overemployed' . People truly taking advantage of, and ruining, what could be a nice situation. Sure, some of it's made up, but the response is certainly genuine. CEOs and middle-management are loud and clear: get back to the office/work yourselves to the bone. I've never had to attend so many pointless Teams calls just to prove presence... until this started making the…

> Why such a soft apologist? To be clear, I'm not defending them. I'm doing the opposite... > I didn't stop caring until they started I've never been a "loud laborer" but boy is it crazy how far those people go now. What little work they can get done as long as they do it loudly... (and I'm not criticizing the employee for this, I'm criticizing the one rewarding them. Same reason about comp. I've never been upset at…

> To be clear, I'm not defending them. I'm doing the opposite...

My mistake. Much of this read like an appeal, their finances, challenges, and so on are utterly irrelevant. We're employees. Beyond the ability to maintain their contracts, we should not care.

The employers can want with one hand and shit in the other, see which fills first.

Re: AI is making us work more

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> Why such a soft apologist? To be clear, I'm not defending them. I'm doing the opposite... > I didn't stop caring until they started I've never been a "loud laborer" but boy is it crazy how far those people go now. What little work they can get done as long as they do it loudly... (and I'm not criticizing the employee for this, I'm criticizing the one rewarding them. Same reason about comp. I've never been upset at…

> To be clear, I'm not defending them. I'm doing the opposite... My mistake. Much of this read like an appeal, their finances, challenges, and so on are utterly irrelevant. We're employees. Beyond the ability to maintain their contracts, we should not care. The employers can want with one hand and shit in the other, see which fills first.

Ah, I see. Yeah, I was saying what they want and claim but contrasting. Like how they scream that times are hard as their stock goes up. That tells me times are not so hard. I'm not sure why we continue to buy it.

Re: AI is making us work more

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> To be clear, I'm not defending them. I'm doing the opposite... My mistake. Much of this read like an appeal, their finances, challenges, and so on are utterly irrelevant. We're employees. Beyond the ability to maintain their contracts, we should not care. The employers can want with one hand and shit in the other, see which fills first.

Ah, I see. Yeah, I was saying what they want and claim but contrasting. Like how they scream that times are hard as their stock goes up. That tells me times are not so hard. I'm not sure why we continue to buy it.

Adversity and triumph make for a great story! Nevermind that is what's really manufactured. A worse form of construction.

Re: AI is making us work more

#247

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Sounds like these are hobby projects that you're doing on your own. The point of AI making us work more is referring to people at companies, not for themselves. Employers are capturing the productivity benefits (if they exist), not employees.

That is a false assumption. I am getting paid. I was able to resurrect a startup that failed 8 years ago. Back then, we tried to bootstrap with a very nice off-shore dev for the MVP, that's all we could afford. The iteration period was ~24hrs. That period is now minutes. You know who that helps? Every startup who didn't nail the idea from go, and requires iteration. I can now meet with a user on Monday, show them the…

Ok, they're not hobby projects, but as you put it, you're "resurrecting a startup" which is pretty close to working for yourself. In other words, your extra productivity is being captured by you and your bootstrapped startup, which is great. But my point was the article was talking about the vast majority of people who are working for a company who captures nearly all the value from the extra productivity, which they do not benefit from. It's a bit like training your replacement.

Also, I agree that LLMs are particularly good for quickly putting together MVPs/prototypes; one of their best use cases.

Re: AI is making us work more

#248

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Yeah but to continue the analogy, the washer was JUST invented and your clothes will come out ruined for a while.

Why are you putting your clothes in the dishwasher

Oh crap, maybe that's why they are coming out ruined.

Re: AI is making us work more

#249

I was never excited for automation. Automation doesn't mean we do less. It means that we do as much work, and now also the work has a higher complexity ceiling; you need to understand the systems that are being automated, and need to maintain the automation. More things are possible, but everything is more complex, and of course, you still need to work 40 hours a week. Products don't get better either, but that's mor…

Automation is a broad topic. At home I save time because my dishwasher automates washing my dishes. The clothes washer and dryer are a lot easier than doing it by hand. The fruit and vegetable at the grocery store are a lot cheaper than they would be without automation. I think individuals who get comfortable in their jobs don’t like automation arriving at their station because it upends the order of things just as t…

Are you sure you spend less time per week on clothes washing than people did before the clothes washer? I suspect that before, people would wash their clothes considerably more seldom - which might even out the efficiency gains of the machine.

Re: AI is making us work more

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Automation is a broad topic. At home I save time because my dishwasher automates washing my dishes. The clothes washer and dryer are a lot easier than doing it by hand. The fruit and vegetable at the grocery store are a lot cheaper than they would be without automation. I think individuals who get comfortable in their jobs don’t like automation arriving at their station because it upends the order of things just as t…

> Your laptop is unquestionably better because it was constructed with the help of automated CNC machines and PCB assembly as opposed to workers manually populating PCBs. This is a fundamentally flawed analogy, because the problems are inverted. CNC and automated PCB assembly work well because creating a process to accurately create the items is hard, but validation that the work is correct is easy. Due to the mechan…

I would not call validation of PCBs easy conceptually. We had to develop a lot of automation in validation to enable today production. Optical verification has been standard for many years, and X-ray is now getting commonplace also. Flying probes commonly used. Functional automated testing is standard for any non-hobby product. But you are right in that the automation overall was/is bottlenecks on the ability to do QA - which not only prevents defects from being sent out, but is also critical to systematic improvements in the production process (both tuning and new iteration). And I believe you are right to call out LLM based systems to be weak in this area, and it is a limiting factor. I believe that automated QA will be more and more critical to positive LLM impact.
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