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Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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post #166

Question: Do I miss something by not using Postman? My alternatives for development are "Edit and Resend" of a request (in Firefox) and plain old curl scripts for reusable examples.

The only nice feature is being able to paste a url, get parsed parameters, and then edit all the things using the UI. Other then that, its same old curl.

Being able to easily switch between dev, stage and prod is useful

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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It is unmaintained. This is the cost of devs focusing on corporate gains and not their craft.

Devs have to eat and if someone offers you a life altering amount of money to work on their hobby project, a lot of them would probably take it. It's hard to turn down something that might assure your family a comfortable life.

Sure, but why does it always have to lead to users getting the short end of the stick? Why can't they accept money and NOT screw over the users? And if the choice is between "Take VC money and screw users" and "Reject VC money and happy users", why do 99% of the people take the first option? They're most likely software developers (as this is the context), so it isn't really a choice between "uncomfortable life" or "comfortable life", there is something more going on here.

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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640K ought to be enough for anyone.

- Bill Gates. And: The world does not need more than 4 computers. -Ken Olsen, or someone (in the mainframe days). (Both are alleged / apocryphal quotes. :)

I believe the Ken Olson quote was that nobody needed a computer in their house, but that was a time where businesses were using terminal servers... it would have been interesting to see where that would have went, but we might be heading that way again since we own nothing and everything is a only a temporary license.

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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post #192

I stopped using Postman when it magically started connecting to a central server for… nothing useful, really. I have no idea why people would design software this way, especially a development tool that should work with any web server, under any network condition (including fully offline against localhost). Now I just have a Makefile with a bunch of curl invocations, or Python tests with requests to match against exp…

> Now I just have a Makefile with a bunch of curl invocations There are several FOSS command line tools that can do this easier, e.g. https://httpie.io/cli

That syntax just seems slightly more confusing than curl, not easier except for very specific simple requests.

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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Ah, yes, the cloud-dependent tool that forces you to pay per seat and log in for any type of collaboration is down when their cloud provider is. Anyways, the folks have spoken, no need to double down. There are more than a dozen alternatives to it, and new ones are coming up. I'm helping build a new one. - Completely offline. - Gives the ability to build reusable blocks (headers, query params, etc) - Let's you docume…

And yes. It's completely free. With plugin extensibility for anyone to build/install whatever they want.

The CEO committed to open-sourcing it, as well as to not monetize on anything that doesn't introduce operational costs to the team.

https://voiden.md/blog/why-we-rebuilt-bloated-api-tooling

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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post #169

In the beginning, there was Postman, and we used it, and it was good. Then, Postman became enshittified, so we switched to Insomnia. Then, Insomnia became enshittified, so we switched to Bruno. Then, Bruno became enshittified, so now it's Yaak. Let's see how long it takes for one of these programs to break the cycle.

And each of those are just thin wrappers around curl I guess. We should be glad that some good free software could be produced in the past to serve as the foundation for today's greed.

And Dropbox is a thin wrapper around rsync. Tools like Postman are convenient. JS scripting allows to extend it easily, like to make request with random test data. Anyway, the previous company I worked for banned it, as soon as it switched from local files to cloud based "collections". Older versions would be ok, but like others mentioned, Postman doesn't like to hear "no" when trying to auto-update itself.

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use it a bit at our company. We have a collection file that includes a ton of requests with headers and body. Developers can with ease load that collection file and run it against their own server, and also quickly change to a different server with just a click. I guess a substitution would be a git repo with curl scripts and environment variables? We also have some non-tech people who use postman to run tests.

A closer replacement would be https://hurl.dev or the HTTP client built in to every JetBrains IDE + https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/http-client-cli.html#tes... >, depending on what other tools your org uses.

+1 to .http file support in JetBrains and VS proper

Re: Postman which I thought worked locally on my computer, is down

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post #192

I stopped using Postman when it magically started connecting to a central server for… nothing useful, really. I have no idea why people would design software this way, especially a development tool that should work with any web server, under any network condition (including fully offline against localhost). Now I just have a Makefile with a bunch of curl invocations, or Python tests with requests to match against exp…

Pretty obvious why if you use the software. I get the whining, but teams need ways to share their complex workflows, and teams are where the money is for all dev focused software. That's who pays for all your tools to have free versions. People who use make and curl to jury rig some unshareable solution together that no-one else in their company would even bother trying to use aren't worth any money to companies.

> (...) teams need ways to share their complex workflows (...)

Apps like Postman are the wrong tool for this purpose.

If you want to share workflows, let alone complex workflows, any automated test suite is far better suited for this purpose.

We are in the age of LLMs and coding agents, which make BDD-style test frameworks even more relevant, as they allow developers to implement the workflows, verify they work, and leave behind an enforceable and verifiable human-readable description of those workflows.

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