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Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by dgfitz »

llbbdd wrote: post #176
dgfitz wrote: post #165

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With a little bit of lag time (school) we could have a metric fuckton of doctors. We have a metric fuckton of shitty lawyers. Doctors are artificially gated in the US What’s the joke? “What do you call the person who graduated last in their class from med school? A doctor.”

Sure, I think that helps my point. You can't create "good" doctors out of thin air with money, just "more" doctors, and it takes forever.

It’s funny how some people think shitty lawyers are good and some people think good lawyers are shitty, huh?

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Post by nosianu »

wubrr wrote: post #224
mschuster91 wrote: post #186

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> Not really clear what you mean by this. The amount of shares in many a large company that are held by passive or semi-passive investment vehicles. It's not just high net worth individuals and nation-state entities (wealth funds) that pump money into YC, Meta, Apple, NVidia, Microsoft and god knows what else, the bulk of the ownerships is held indirectly by the wide masses via one sort or another of pension schemes.…

I think you're greatly overestimating how much ownership the general public has. The bottom 90% of the population own like 12% of all equities, while bottom 50% only own 1% [0] [0] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wealthiest-10-americans-own-9...

Not direct ownership. He means through pension schemes, indirect dependency.

Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by [deleted] »

wubrr wrote: post #185
mschuster91 wrote: post #180

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> Well, it's the rich's money, dedicated to replacing as many people as possible in the Great war on labor. A lot of "the rich's" money is actually backed by the pension funds, 401k and similar investment vehicles. That's the dirty secret in most of today's world. A lot of ultra-large companies would absolutely deserve getting broken up just for being way too powerful, the problem is any such attempts would send the…

> A lot of "the rich's" money is actually backed by the pension funds, 401k and similar investment vehicles. Not really clear what you mean by this. But arguably all of the rich's money (and all money in general) is backed by labour/the ability to exchange that money for someone else's labour.

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Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

mschuster91 wrote: post #180
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #168

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Well, it's the rich's money, dedicated to replacing as many people as possible in the Great war on labor. I easily see the rich betting a trillion dollars especially if it's not their money and they start employing government funds in the name of a fictitious AI arms race. They smell blood in the water. Reducing everyone to as minimum wage as possible. Capital is already concentrated, aligned along monopolies and car…

> Well, it's the rich's money, dedicated to replacing as many people as possible in the Great war on labor. A lot of "the rich's" money is actually backed by the pension funds, 401k and similar investment vehicles. That's the dirty secret in most of today's world. A lot of ultra-large companies would absolutely deserve getting broken up just for being way too powerful, the problem is any such attempts would send the…

This will only be true a few decades. Nobody entering the workforce today will ever have any retirement funds. Most people who have been in it for a decade will never have any. Pensions aren't even a thing for most people. There will be a point where the common folk have very little remaining incentive not to burn it all down.

Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by ajkjk »

ebb_earl_co wrote: post #111
Insanity wrote: post #105

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I don’t think they will get any moat. I might be wrong on this of course, but I don’t see a killer feature for these stochastic parrots that can’t be easily replicated

> … stochastic parrots… What a wonderful phrase, mind if I borrow it?

you don't have to get permission

plus, they didn't come up with it

Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

llbbdd wrote: post #150
exolymph wrote: post #132

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Homelessness and world hunger are not bottlenecked by money. There's a stronger case for healthcare, but that's also substantially a political issue.

There's a stronger case for world hunger being bottlenecked than healthcare. World hunger is a logistics problem now, but no amount of money lets you print doctors.

A logistics problem is just a money problem, throw enough cash at it and you can get anything moved to anywhere

Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by nbngeorcjhe »

sumedh wrote: post #167
cool_dude85 wrote: post #81

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Or you could type up "My allergies are X, Y, Z, I have the following preferences..." etc. and put it into whatever chat bot you like. Obviously this is a bit of a pain, but it probably constrains significantly how much of a premium ChatGPT can charge. You might not bother if ChatGPT is time and a half more expensive, but what if it's 3x as much as the competition? What if there's a free alternative that's just as goo…

> Or you could type up "My allergies are X, Y, Z, I have the following preferences..." Why use a car when you can just walk?

tbh most americans could do with walking more

Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by hattmall »

llbbdd wrote: post #166
Mon0t0n wrote: post #159

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Actually funding education via wealth distribution is a great way of ”printing doctors”.

I don't know what wealth distribution means in this context, or why it's relevant at all, but food grows fast and doctors take like 20 years to grow no matter how much money you throw at it or where you get the money. And the context above was more specifically "fully pay health care costs" which is a comical fantasy the moment you try to actually define what that means, because the limit is not the price.

Changing the entire paradigm of medical care would be possible with enough money. There's no logical reason it takes 20 years to become a doctor. The fact that it does severely hampers both the quantity and quality of doctors. Becoming a doctor is much less about knowledge and intelligence than it is about attrition resistance. Loads of capable students disregard medical careers each year for more rapidly attainable positions. In many cases these are the MOST capable students because they recognize the problems with pursuing medical degrees.

Certainly the most skilled and advanced in the medical field will need significant schooling but there needs to be a major reform in healthcare training. One that produces more knowledgeable and skilled professionals and not a glut of questionably competent nurse practitioners.

Re: It's OpenAI's world, we're just living in it

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Post by gubicle »

noir_lord wrote: post #208
bigbuppo wrote: post #188

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That certainly explains why Microsoft is so desperate to force everyone into using their AI whether they want to or not. I'm wondering if the deal will end Microsoft when OpenAI goes belly up.

It’s rapidly ending my deal with Microsoft. I want windows to play games, for computing I use Linux but they keep foisting shite I don’t want on me just to play games, AI and sodding OneDrive can piss off. I’ve kept windows around because it was less painful to game on than Linux but Linux is better than ever and windows is getting worse, at some point those lines are gonna cross and for the first time in 30 odd year…

Steam on (arch)linux works so well these days, I haven't needed windows for gaming in a while.
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