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Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#242So will this compete against SendGrid (transactional emails)?
Or is this going after Gmail/M365 (personal inboxes)?
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have deliverability issues? I entertained the idea of running my own mail servers for a while. After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious. So it looks like we've gotta be well connected to federate with the other email servers now. A nobody like me can't just start up…
I've run my own mail servers for many decades and have never had any deliverability issues. I've also never used bargain basement cloud VPS services with horrible reputations. The best way to ensure a good reputation is to obtain your own address space from a RIR. Barring that, you need to choose a provider with a decent reputation to delegate the space to you.
> The best way to ensure a good reputation is to obtain your own address space from a RIR.
There is the slight problem that RIRs ran out of (v4) addresses almost a decade ago.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Are you talking about the former or the latter? If it's the former ... that has literally never happened to me unless I'm on a VPN and even then it's rarely (if ever) CF that's doing the blocking. If it's the latter then it reflects the sad truth that we can't have nice things anymoret. I have lots of problems with the accessibilit…
> Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Maybe for you. But I don't let random unvetted websites run code on my computer. Checking that box requires it.
So you're blocking yourself? Seems really disingenuous to imply it's someone's fault when you know it's your own.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#245It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.
This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.
It is probably because you have run it so long that you have good reputation and less issues. Too bad we don't have time machine to go back to ninties to start building up reputation.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
> However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. I don't think that's it, and I think the explanation is much more simple and straight-forward. Cloudflare established a very successful business model around a straight-forward, very transparent, no-bullshit CDN. Now, they started offering other cloud services build around their CDN. Cloudfla…
Cloudflare is far from a no bullshit CDN. The vendor lock in is real with an aggressive unethcial sales model.
Like what? Give an example. I'm struggling to think of something they offer that is particularly unique and not offered by the other public clouds or several SASS companies.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#247> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers.
So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#248Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.
Try https://mailpace.com The lowest plan $40/year for 1k emails/month isn’t on the Pricing page, but you can select it when signing up.
Been using Mailpace for a few years.
Has been a 10/10 experience -- rock solid and extremely good deliverability.
Wish the pricing increased non-linearly though at higher volumes.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.
> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
For example, recently certain big corp ask me to verify something. I clicked on the link in the E-Mail and it was suck on Cloudflare the click button over and over again. No matter how many times I clicked.
Do I need to find another internet access now?
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't have deliverability issues? I entertained the idea of running my own mail servers for a while. After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious. So it looks like we've gotta be well connected to federate with the other email servers now. A nobody like me can't just start up…
> After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious. You have to buy/rent a dedicated IP address (that you'll be able to keep long term), and it warm it up by gradually increasing mail volume over a few months to weeks. But once you have, deliverability shoudl be fine. I think the big…
Like the parent have ran Email servers for many years now. If you get a bad IP, as long as you get the DKIM records right, over time it will 'warm' up the IP. And the more you use the email on that IP and NOT spam people. The IP will warm up. Make sure you actually own that IP!!! It will become valuable.