This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…
Does anyone in the finance business know how legal this all it? I am hearing terms like "round tripping" being thrown around. A practice where a company sells and buys back its own product to artificially inflate revenue. I'm asking because its not just OpenAI that they are apparently doing this with, instead its with multiple other major GPU providers, like Coreweave. And its just being done all out in the open? How…
OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems
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#242To put this into perspective this datacenter would have the land area of Monaco (740 acres) given assumptions of a 80kW/rack per case.
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Customer A pays you $100 for goods that cost you $10. You invest $100-$10=$90 in customer B so that they'll pay you $90 for goods that cost you $9. Your reported revenue is now $100+$90=$190, but the only money that entered the system is the original $100.
Except that this is isn't round-tripping at all. Round-tripping doesn't result in a company actually incurring expenses to create more product. Round-tripping is the term for schemes that enable you to double count assets/revenue without any economic effects taking place. Every time HackerNews talks about anything in the legal or finance realm, people trip over themselves to make arguments for why something a big tec…
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#244This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…
It forces us to confront a question. How much investment and prioritization in scaling laws is justified?
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The real question is not whether this is a bubble since as you mentioned even if AI settles into a somewhat useful semi-mainstream tech, there is no way any of the likely outcomes can justify this level of investment. The real question is what are we gonna do with all this cheap GPU compute when the bubble pops! Will high def game streaming finally have its time to shine? Will VFX outsource all of its render to the c…
"The bubble will pop any minute now, any second, just you wait" is cope. Even if AI somehow bucks the trend and stops advancing in leaps? It's still on track to be the most impactful technology since smartphones, if not since the Internet itself. And the likes of Nvidia? They're the Cisco of AI infrastructure.
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reminds me of this image https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F6...
It would be amusing if it also wasn't so accurate.
What is the source of the cash in steps 3, 4, and 7?
Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems
#248This is throwing more cards on the house of cards. Nvidia is “investing” in OpenAI so OpenAI can buy GPUs from NVidia. Textbook “round tripping.” I generally like what’s been happening with AI but man this is gonna crash hard when reality sets in. We’re reaching the scary stage of a bubble where folks are forced to throw more and more cash on the fire to keep it going with no clear path to ever get that cash back. If…
I also recall reading that OpenAI is developing its own chips. What happened to that?
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They've been sleeping with Oracle too recently, so I don't think they're breaking up, just dipping a toe in the poly pool
It's more resembling a Habsburg family tree at this point https://bsky.app/profile/anthonycr.bsky.social/post/3lz7qtjy... (pencil in another loop between Nvidia and OpenAI now)
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Does anyone in the finance business know how legal this all it? I am hearing terms like "round tripping" being thrown around. A practice where a company sells and buys back its own product to artificially inflate revenue. I'm asking because its not just OpenAI that they are apparently doing this with, instead its with multiple other major GPU providers, like Coreweave. And its just being done all out in the open? How…
How I see it - the people with the money make the rules, why would they make rules against themselves?
I'm just surprised that nobody is yelling to the rooftops about practices that are just so out in the open right now.