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After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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> - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics and/or edgelord memery. So yeah, that was wrong. But if that'…

> Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics. So yeah, that was wrong. Look I don't even pretend to know the truth. But the sitting governor of Utah, the highest authority on the investigation (which is being done by Utah stat…

> Look I don't even pretend to know the truth. But the sitting governor of Utah, the highest authority on the investigation (which is being done by Utah state investigators), said the shooter had a "leftest ideology".

Curious as to whether you've revisited this (surprisingly strongly-held) prior given todays reporting: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/no-evide...

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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This saddens me. The view, despite its negative press, has helped countless housewives broaden their scope of concern from gossipy soap opera nonsense to current events and domestic politics. While they may not be good educators, they are moving the needle. It used to be unladylike to talk politics, at least for the uneducated class. Now we have daytime tv populism.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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> The quote does nothing to imply that the kids is Maga or not. It does however directly commentates on “Maga gang”’s actions to try to paint him as anyone other than someone who could be MAGA In every universe where the shooter is not "MAGA" (which, on the available evidence, includes ours), "trying to paint him as anyone else" is truthful, and not wrong. The entire point of a critique of this sort is to allege that…

> The sentence does carry the implication that Kimmel is calling the shooter "MAGA" True. > because otherwise there would be no reason, in Kimmel's position, to say any of it. Untrue. In context, what he's saying (this is clear in the sentences before and after) is that MAGA is playing politics by arguing about attribution. Remember in the early hours it did look like the shooter might have been a groyper, and even F…

> is that MAGA is playing politics by arguing about attribution.

Arguing about attribution would only be wrong, or worth pointing out, if they had a "MAGA" dead to rights about it. The context is a show that frequently bashes "MAGA", Trump and that entire political alignment, and only gets significant viewership when doing so.

> in the early hours it did look like the shooter might have been a groyper

This was a strained interpretation essentially based on the idea that groypers immerse themselves in 4chan political memes, as if it were exclusive to them. They have an /lgbt/ board.

But even if that had panned out, groypers are a separate, barely-comprehensible "far group". Rounding them off to "MAGA" would still be wrong.

> The "offensive" content needs to be deliberately inferred

No, it doesn't. It's an ordinary reading of a common idiom on these sorts of political punditry shows. If you're accusing someone of "trying to characterize X as anything other than Y", this accusation has force because you allege that X is Y, that the truth of this is plain, and that the person you accuse is trying to hide an inconvenient truth. And we know that this was intended as an accusation of doing something harmful because he described the "MAGA gang" as "hitting a new low" in doing so.

Kimmel's statement projected an unjustified and irresponsible confidence in something that now appears to have been clearly wrong.

> and the appropriate response is to clarify and apologize.

I see no reason to suppose that this would have happened. It also would have to be a retraction, not a clarification, because pointing out that the argument about attribution was justified cannot be a "clarification" of describing that act of attribution as "hitting a new low".

> We all know what actually happened isn't about what Kimmel actually said.

I agree that other reasons existed to fire him, mainly, declining ratings.

The guy also just isn't funny. He doesn't demonstrate any wit. He was just providing a space where people who wanted to mock Trump (or hear such mockery) could feel validated. There isn't exactly a dearth of such spaces.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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I do remember that, and it turns out there's so many reasons to have fired TC that people had pages of listicles on why he could have been fired https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... and none of them were cancel culture it turns out. Fox already lied and paid out hundreds of millions on dominion, it couldn't handle paying for any more lies.

Yeah, I am sure soon we be given good reasons why "they couldn't handle" JK either. Just scroll down the comments. See, ABC affiliates wanted him gone... :-) TC has now an audience larger than the entire Fox News. Maybe JK will do the same.

Sure... except that's an appeal to authority that has nothing to do with being an incredibly toxic legal liability. The lies about Dominion voting machines were incredibly popular, denying science is incredibly popular, homeopathy is incredibly popular.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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> for 10 years democratic lawmakers and media figures are disavowing violence on both sides, while republican lawmakers and media figures are doing the opposite It was not a Republican media figure who made that video of herself holding "a mask styled to look like the severed, bloody head" of the POTUS. Among the biggest-name political Twitch streamers, it's not the right-wingers who are being shown to have all sorts…

Do you live under a fucking rock? Right wingers are all mindlessly screaming about antifa and transgenders online, and calling out for civil war.

Not just random right-wing accounts either, prominent conservative media figures[0] and the President[1] himself are stoking the flames by blaming the "radical left" and transgenders while Democrats in both Congress and the media have disavowed political violence.

You can always find anonymous Twitter/Bluesky posts and go "see they're violent!!" but the situation on the left is clearly much different than the right.

0: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-...

  > The Daily Wire’s Matt Walsh is, like Kirk, a high-profile right-wing media influencer and podcaster. He wrote a provocative post on X on Wednesday calling for “the entire Right” to “band together” because “we are up against demonic forces from the pit of Hell.” Walsh called the struggle “existential” and “a fight for our own existence and the existence of our country.” Today, he added: “I woke up even angrier.” Walsh rejected calls for reconciliation and characterized the coming struggle as self-defense: “They want us dead. They’re killing us. Now is not the time for kumbaya stuff. This is real.” 

1: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-could-not-...

  > “They’re saying, ‘We don’t want these people coming here. And we don’t want you burning our shopping centers. We don’t want you shooting our people in the middle of the street,’” Trump added, appearing to nod to instances of right-wing vigilantism in recent years.


  > “The radicals on the left are the problem. They’re vicious, and they’re horrible,” Trump said. “And they’re politically savvy, although they want men in women’s sports. They want transgender for every one. They want open borders.”

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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See, now thats at the heart of it isn't it! What /would/ someone have to offer you, your family or your community? What do you value? What does your community value? How do you know folks have nothing to offer?

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Their comment was not Christophobic. Please don't abuse religious sentiments and sensibilities to shut down discussions you disagree with.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Is the point you are trying to make that - because your college acted shitty during Vietnam - its cool if everyone acts shitty now? Not trying to be argumentative, really trying to understand the perspective of someone who survived the hell that apparently was Vietnam.

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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I don't have any idea where this will go, but the idea that our collective future is determined by the restraint of the people currently in power does not bode well.

The rioting, burning, shooting and killing is being done by the people out of power. Those people have no restraint apparently.
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