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Post by johnfn »

samsin wrote: post #232
johnfn wrote: post #153

The mocking, gleeful negativity here concerns me. I am worried that with some of these more polarized topics that the discussions on HN are becoming closer to those on Reddit. The fact that the highest upvoted post on this thread is just a link to Reddit isn't doing much to help me feel better. And I've been here for at least a decade, so I don't think this is the noob illusion. I have no illusions about Zuckerberg.…

This thread [1] on Zuckerberg from 7+ years ago doesn't look too different. Top comments saying it's "pretty cringe-y", another posting an image from Reddit and some "Twitter bingo cards". The nature of the situation doesn't really offer much for deep analysis, but the discussion yesterday [2] on the product itself seems fine to me. You might disagree since people are more skeptical rather than being glad Meta is pus…

I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. The Cambridge Analytica stuff was probably some of the ethically worst stuff that Zuckerberg and Meta has ever done, and they absolutely deserved to get raked over the coals for it. AI glasses and VR are nowhere in the same ballpark. In fact, that the two discussions are tonally similar seems to support my argument.

The discussion yesterday was fine. If that was the only conversation we had, I wouldn't be worried.

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Post by bamboozled »

gonyanghn wrote: post #210
pera wrote: post #2

There is a second part that is equally bad, but with Zuck: https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1nkbqyk/...

This is what it has come to? This is artificial intelligence? Billions and billions of dollars spent to narrate a recipe? Something that can be written down on a piece of paper?

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Post by bamboozled »

twothreeone wrote: post #37
fluoridation wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God, that's actually painful to watch. I can't believe I lasted two minutes.

Mark's definitely mastered optimizing for peak cringe factor while at 1.95T valuation.

It's funny because he spent so much money on hair and clothing stylists, jewellery, BJJ coaching, surfing lessons , really made an effort to come across as "cool" and the end result is...you cannot fake who you are, and your actions are what define you and make up your character, he is prime example of that. He cannot escape who he is.

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Post by bamboozled »

pm90 wrote: post #102
patrickhogan1 wrote: post #44

Credit where it’s due: doing live demos is hard. Yesterday didn’t feel staged—it looked like the classic “last-minute tweak, unexpected break.” Most builders have been there. I certainly have (I once spent 6 hours at a hackathon and broke the Flask server keying in a last minute change on the steps of the stage before going on).

As much as I hate Meta, I have to admit that live demos are hard, and if they go wrong we should have a little more grace towards the folks that do them. I would not want to live in a world where everything is pre-recorded/digitally altered.

It's less about the failure, and more about the person selling the product, we don't like him, or his company, and that's why there is no sympathy for him and he knows that.

When it went bad he could instantly smell blood in the water, his inner voice said, "they know I'm a fraud, they're going to love this, and I'm fucked". That is why it went the way it did.

If it was a more humble, honest, generous person, maybe Woz, we know he would handle it with a lot more grace, we know he is the kind of person who would be 100x less likely to be in this situation (because he understands tech) and we'd be much more forgiving.

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Post by bamboozled »

8note wrote: post #219
ares623 wrote: post #215

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He's the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation, promising technology that puts the livelihoods of millions of people at risk. He deserves every bit of scrutiny he gets.

> that puts the livelihoods of millions of people at risk. what livelihood are these glasses putting at risk?

Do you think his algorithms have kind of, you know, sewed the seeds of hatred and rage through our society?

Do you think all the lies an misinformation his products help spread kind of...get people elected who take away the aid which millions of women and children rely on?

Not blaming him for it all, we all play our part, but the guy has definitely contributed negatively to society overall and if he is smart enough to know this, but he cannot turn off the profit making machine he created so we all suffer for that.

The parent said alluded to the dangers of AI, well the algorithms that are making us hate each other and become paranoid are that AI.

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Post by jimmydoe »

pera wrote: post #2

There is a second part that is equally bad, but with Zuck: https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1nkbqyk/...

If not for these epic failures, I won’t even know they had a demo. Guess neg marketing is still marketing, it worked.

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Post by chmod775 »

taneq wrote: post #181
dgfitz wrote: post #63

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> confused the AI. I will die on this hill. It isn’t AI. You can’t confuse it.

Ok, you’ve piqued my interest. What’s required in order for something to be genuinely confused?

If by "genuinely confused" we are talking about what is generally called the emotion "confusion", then you need meta-cognition to even recognize your thinking is confused in order to then experience it. LLMs can model reflection by using their own output as input, but otherwise lack meta-cognitive processes. Through reflection they can later recognize what they did previously was wrong, but they will never experience "what I am currently thinking seems wrong/does not fit".

However "confusion" can also mean "mistaking one thing for another" or simply "doing the wrong thing", which is something computer programs have been able to fuck up since forever.

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Post by monocasa »

trevithick wrote: post #101
fluoridation wrote: post #15

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It's kind of like Peep Show, where the writers tried to engineer the most awkward social situations, only without the jokes.

Also a tangent, but Microsoft was the OG for corporate cringe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ

Everyone forgets about this cringe from Microsoft, but it is oddly endearing to me too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zww2ivWdLas

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Post by data-ottawa »

fragilerock wrote: post #127
autoexec wrote: post #74

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That's even worse because it would mean that it wasn't the scripted recording that failed, it means the AI itself sucks and can't tell that the bowl is empty and nothing was combined. Either this was the failure of a recorded demo that was faked to hide how bad the AI is, or it accurately demonstrated that the AI itself is a failure. Either way it's not a good look.

My layperson interpretation of this particular error was that the AI model probably came up with the initial recipe response in full, but when the audio of that response was cut off because the user interrupted it, the model wasn't given any context of where it was interrupted so it didn't understand that the user hadn't heard the first part of the recipe. I assume the responses from that point onwards didn't take th…

That feels plausible to me.

You can trigger this type of issue by ChatGPT then reading the transcript.

The model doesn’t know you interrupted it, so continued assuming he had heard the steps.

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

bamboozled wrote: post #242
gonyanghn wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what it has come to? This is artificial intelligence? Billions and billions of dollars spent to narrate a recipe? Something that can be written down on a piece of paper?

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What an awful, condescending attitude. No, not "everyone living in a modern country" can make Korean food without a recipe. And tools that reduce the barrier for learning and acquiring new skills should be applauded.

Almost half of Americans cannot cook today. And the number 1 cited reason is a lack of time.

That said, I agree with the grandparent that this isn't really a "killer feature". Nor am I interested in the product. For so many reasons.

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