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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Why is this posted on a tech news site?

I wonder the same. It’s odd to see it still here given the low quality of the discussion. And it is flooded by mischaracterizations, misinformation, and one-sided hyperbolic takes. I wonder what the right space or format is to have debates like this but in an effective way, rather than sides trying to win.

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Antisemitism is back, with its nasty conspiracy theories, jews as baby killers, controlling the world, involved in any news item.

Good thing Zionism was invented exactly to counter that.

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I don't want to downplay the atrocities going on in the current conflicts, but this sort of comment deserves some perspective. About 70 million people were killed in WW2, as of the present day about 1 million have died in the war Russia is waging against Ukraine and about 70k people have died in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. The horrors are most certainly real. But WW3 this era is most certainly not, that's thankfu…

The World Wars were called World Wars because of the number conflicts and the powers involved. While the casualties and damage has been lower, it seems like the powers are at least indirectly involved at the moment.

If you look back through history this has been the case since at least the Cold War, though. All the proxy hot wars in the Cold War, for example, back when the world was bi-polar. Now it’s multipolar with similar proxy wars.

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The right's split thinking on this issue is largely a split down generational lines. The balance of the split is shifting as old people die. The Zionist faction of the left is almost dead already, and on the right it will still take some more years, but once that's done, America's support for Israel will have expired. I think Israel realizes they're on borrowed time, and that's why they've adopted such an overtly agg…

The support for Israel was always higher for older people, and that goes back all the way to the 70's as far as I could tell. Something about being young and impressible, captured by the Palestinian ethos, until people grow up.

When you say "Going by the way of Rhodesia" do you mean Israelis will just scatter away, the remaining ones will be under constant threat of violence?

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If we're on the subject of damning historic quotes, I've got one for you: > Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. - Hamas founding charter

Of course ignoring that Hamas was deliberately funded by Israel to cause a split between the politics of the West Bank and Gaza to prevent a unified political authority in Palestine.

I can well imagine a parallel universe where Israel gave them NO money whatsoever. You know what would have happened? Hamas would do the usual Islamic fundamentalist thing. Form a terrorist group and attack Israel. And then media commentators and intellectuals would accuse Israel of failing to help Hamas get put on the right path by helping them at the start, and instead Israel's inaction was like strangling a baby in the cradle. Typical Israel! Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.

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But the Palestians and Hamas are distinct. There are even Christian Palestinians who are of course, since Hamas is so fundamentally Islamist, not at all represented by the group. Palestinians who are not part of Hamas are third parties and when they are attacked, you can't tell them to ask Hamas to release hostages or do anything, because they have no more influence over Hamas than anybody else does.

Do Christian Palestinians live in the Gaza strip or somewhere else?

There is a Christian minority in the Gaza strip.

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Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

It can either end in the death of one side, most probably Palestinians, or in peace agreement. Currently there is war, peace is out of the window. First step is to stop the war, second step is to make both side actually negotiate. It was attempted by Clinton a while ago but assassinations from mossad and hamas prevented the process to success. To be honest, politicians have failed us too many times for my sad brain t…

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