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EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by contrarian1234 »

vincnetas wrote: post #19

Veritasium had video explaining about PFAS and environment protections that were needed to keep people/animals from being sick. Somewhere around minute 23 in video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC2eSujzrUY

What a muddled video

For the first half he seems to constantly mix up C8 and Teflon. After a long section explaining that C8 is some carrier molecule used to make Teflon - he then explain C8 is used in factories and kills cows. But it's not clear C8 is anywhere other than the factory and the town around it

They then extrapolate from two chemical (C8 and C6) to just anything that remotely similar (PFAS)

Later they walk it back and say it's only a few chemicals. Actually your Teflon pan is safe. But then say thing "Blah blah was used to make waterproof..." is it in the final product? or is it part of the chemical procedure to make the product?

Is the problem the final consumer goods? Or is the problem the chemical manufacturing? (and subsequent dumping in the environment) Is this residue from after making the Teflon-like material?

The last parts I couldn't follow at all b/c it was a acronym soup of a ton of chemicals that aren't really explained. At this point I'd lost all faith in the presenters impartiality. Seems like he's just trying to stoke outrage for engagement

(the central point may still be right!)

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Post by tomrod »

scarface_74 wrote: post #233
mandeepj wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s set our eyes on 2026 first, so that we can end this madness sooner.

Where we set our eyes don’t matter. The US electorate has shown we care more about “owning the libs”, “anti-woke” and what bathroom people use than our own health and welfare. Absolutely no one who voted for this mess went in blind.

They absolutely did, because many listen to the absokutely rank propaganda the right puts out and seek no real sources of information.

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Post by giantg2 »

BoredPositron wrote: post #238
giantg2 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how do you treat water that needs to travel through questionably maintained pipes without chlorine etc? Seems a much cheaper and efficient fix to utilize point of use filtration.

The pipes are also bad governance. If they are your own pipes you certainly can opt for filtration instead of replacing them but as I said sounds like a band-aid.

Show me a nation with perfectly maintained pipes that doesn't use chlorine etc. If you can't show me that, then your proposed solution is invalid.

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Post by Larrikin »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #193
tensor wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the facts are that this administration will always, without fail, without a single exception, do the opposite of what has been shown to be good for the US people. This isn't a property of authoritarianism either, no other authoritarian state is so uniformly across the board against science, medicine, and technology. If you have any other suggestion than the reason they do this is something related to money, ple…

Trump's EPA created these PFAS rules. Now re-read your comment and look how politically biased you are so much as to be seen as crazy. Here is the statement from the organization pushing for this. It really wasn't hard to find either. https://www.awwa.org/AWWA-Articles/epa-announces-changes-to-...

The first administration had some people acting in good faith even if you disagreed with them. This second term does not.

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Post by jkeel »

purple_turtle wrote: post #81
Filligree wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you propose they do?

Drop counterproductive and unpopular Culture War issues and instead fight about very stupid ideas pushed by Trump et all. Part of problem is that the most unproductive and unpopular and poor ideas are the most loved ones among their elites.

I agree. I wish there was a more organized "left" but from what I've seen it's just many many random groups that are not on the "right". If there was an organized left, then they should focus only on improving the well being of the average US family through improving the economy and healthcare to work for everyone. The left let's itself get baited into these culture wars. If everyone's lives improved then I believe a lot of these culture war issues would improve as a byproduct of a happier populace who would be more forgiving to those around them.

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Post by BoredPositron »

NewJazz wrote: post #221
BoredPositron wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a band-aid solution for bad governance.

No, it is not a band aid, it is the gold standard for water filtration. And not all water issues stem from bad governance. Sometimes there is just unwanted minerals in the water for natural reasons.

I can't follow why would you opt for filtration in individual homes?

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Post by ReptileMan »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #112
Insanity wrote: post #82

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In EU we by and large don’t eat what America produces though. The same products like Doritos etc will have different ingredients in EU compared to US. US typically gets the cheaper and worse option (less safe). Same for American coke w/ Cane Sugar instead of actual sugar. Americans will regularly consume chemicals that are potentially carcinogenic and banned in EU. EDIT: I meant high fructose corn syrup, not cane sug…

Doritos even have different ingredients between EU countries. I have tested this in Denmark, Poland, Cyprus, Ireland and Germany.

That is mostly because the same brand made for Eastern europe tastes like shit compared to the stuff for western. Worst offenders are nutella and coca cola. but there are many others.

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Post by lawn »

chung8123 wrote: post #33
Apreche wrote: post #7

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This debate style is pretty frustrating to me. Use a talking point for the other side and act like it is why the reason it the decision is made. It really does not lend itself to getting to the root of issues and finding what compromise is. In my opinion this added nothing to the conversation when in theory the op asked for a real answer.

And this is in part why these things are happening.

People will dismiss it as "talking points" or "too ridiculous".

And then they will continue to do it, fully aware that people will just not believe what is happening.

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Post by locococo »

nielsbot wrote: post #212
estebarb wrote: post #34

I understand that these dumb decisions are mostly profit motivated. But nobody stops to think that the reaction abroad may be: do not eat anything produced at USA?

I think there’s a deep fundamental psychosis of the right wing to get the world back to “survival of the fittest”. If you die of PFAs, poverty, other pollution, well then that’s just bad luck for you. They just don’t believe in a society that cares for the weak and needy.

Survival of the fittest should apply to businesses above anything. If a business can't handle the regulations to not pollute water then it's a clear cut case.

This is all the symptom of laziness of the mind. There is resistance to change, adapt and make the world a better place not just for this, but future generations.

There is no leadership in the US, no vision, no drive. The excessive wealth has created a leading class that happily rests on the laurels of prior generations while squandering the future.

This problem extends to all citizens, beyond the weak and needy, and permeates all levels of government from small to big.

I live in one of the best school districts in the US, and when I see the food the children are served I am surprised this is acceptable.

But this is what the US is, extract as much money from people while providing sub standard service. All in-the name of the free market and shareholder value.

People are an exploitable reaource.

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