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Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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yeah, it's not like north korea doesn't do batshit crazy stuff like kidnap japanese/south korean civilians from japanese/south korean soil, or murder people abroad with massage artists given vx laden massage oil

How does the masseur survive that massage?

Idk. I misremembered, it might not have been massage oil specifically. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-na...

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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The Japanese bombed civilian boats that happened to be out on the water near pearl harbour before their surprise attack. Their reasoning was that these boats could have alerted the Americans about the impending attack. It's interesting to see the US more or less committing the same crime, even if it was just a bug planting mission.

If you're interested in "crimes committed by the US war machine which mirror similar crimes by the Japanese", there is a lot written about the US use of biological weapons on the peninsula in late 1951. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_biological_warf...

There was quite alot including actual massacres of civilians in Vietnam. The US where not the good guys in that war.

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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If you're interested in "crimes committed by the US war machine which mirror similar crimes by the Japanese", there is a lot written about the US use of biological weapons on the peninsula in late 1951. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_biological_warf...

There was quite alot including actual massacres of civilians in Vietnam. The US where not the good guys in that war.

In what wars were either side free of innocent blood? Where there were actually good guys rather than maybe just morally better than the other side?

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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I feel sorry for us as human beings that something like this isn't treated as a war crime. It should never be ok to kill non-combatant civilians in cold-blood. This thought first came into mind when I read that Israel had killed a whole Iranian family ( https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2025/06/26/3342913/entire... ) to assassinate an Iranian scientist. (Or atleast that is what is claimed - some regimes really are too comfortable with the idea of "collective punishment").

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I don't think it's so much about the Rules of Engagement but more about "Don't indiscriminately murder people"

Indiscriminate would be nuclear weapons on cities. This mission’s ultimate goal was to prevent NK doing that. If you could stop NK doing that, would you pull the trigger? Would you make a targeted kill of a person who compromised that mission by discovering it?

No? I don't think this is the trap you think it is.

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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If you're interested in "crimes committed by the US war machine which mirror similar crimes by the Japanese", there is a lot written about the US use of biological weapons on the peninsula in late 1951. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_biological_warf...

There was quite alot including actual massacres of civilians in Vietnam. The US where not the good guys in that war.

Oh, yeah, I was just picking one thing at random- there are literally millions of murders done by the US war machine. The US generally aren't the good guys in any war.

Heck, I think that the US treatment of the Nazis after the second world war should make it pretty clear what "side" of that conflict they were actually on.

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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Hooo boy. I barely have time for this but... 1) First of all, you're talking about an imaginary universe with a character literally named "Captain America". Just to put this in the right perspective. 2) A single Google would show you that the Middle East often engages (AND has historically engaged) in all of that, and lots of other bad-actordom (please do not tu-quoque me here about the sins of the United States, I k…

>So yes, the US military was literally created to fight the Islamic terrorism of its day. That is not propaganda, that is historical fact. I mean, you're bending the truth a little. The US Navy was created to fight thieves and murderers on ships, who happened to be Muslim . There was no ideological component to the conflict. That someone can cite a passage from a book to justify robbing you doesn't mean that his robb…

> That someone can cite a passage from a book to justify robbing you doesn't mean that his robbing you is inspired by the book.

I'm sorry, what? I literally don't follow. If someone robs my home because of what it says to do in an unquestionable book that they've been raised on, how is that not literally inspired by the book? This is nonsense. People do things all the time (good and bad) because of what they believe is true in books. Would you not fault those books if they state something wrong that causes people to commit harm? I mean... Trepanation? Bloodletting? Countless other things that were believed to be true, were acted on because of that, but were actually wrong?

Have you actually read the relevant passages?

(I more or less agree with your other statements.)

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but source? Genuinely curious.

I don't have a link handy, but I recall seeing on YT a clip of Luttrell basically outright stating that the Navy "handed him the book pre-written" in an interview.

I'd get to steppin' and find it. Compelling statements need compelling sources.

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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Indiscriminate would be nuclear weapons on cities. This mission’s ultimate goal was to prevent NK doing that. If you could stop NK doing that, would you pull the trigger? Would you make a targeted kill of a person who compromised that mission by discovering it?

No? I don't think this is the trap you think it is.

Maybe it's not, but that's the point: trying to understand what it is from the point of view of people who did it.

Re: Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission

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Does a civilian become a combatant or pose a threat if they could derail, though awareness of your presence, your mission to prevent NK making civilians the object of attack on massive scale with nuclear weapons?

No.

Ok. So then, how can you pretend to be against the killing of civilians if you choose more rather than less of it?
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